undefined line on an OS map

fred robinson (Account suspended) made this Freedom of Information request to Ordnance Survey

Waiting for an internal review by Ordnance Survey of their handling of this request.

From: fred robinson (Account suspended)

15 November 2008

Dear Sir or Madam,

Is an undefined line on an OS map between two buildings regarded as
a firm feature that attaches those two buildings together.

Yours faithfully,

fred robinson

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15 November 2008

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From: Customer Services
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18 November 2008

Our Ref: SAP 69652

Dear Mr Robinson

Request for information

Thank you for your email dated 15 November 2008, requesting is an
undefined line on an OS map between two buildings regarded as a firm
feature that attaches those two buildings together.

Please note that Ordnance Survey is considering your request under the
Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA). As your request was received by
us on 17 November 2008 we will provide you with a full response within
20 working days as required by the FOIA, meaning by 15 December 2008.

In the meantime, if you have any further questions please contact me.

Thank you for your enquiry.

Kind regards

Tony Gray
FOI Practitioner, Ordnance Survey
C454, Romsey Road, SOUTHAMPTON, United Kingdom, SO16 4GU
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From: Customer Services
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24 November 2008

Dear Mr Robinson

Ordnance Survey reference: 69652

Thank you for your email dated 15 November 2008 requesting: 'Is an
undefined line on an OS map between two buildings regarded as a firm
feature that attaches those two buildings together?'

Taking the request as written, this is asking for an expression of opinion
from Ordnance Survey which technically does not fall within the
requirements of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). However we have
interpreted this request as a clarification on large scale mapping
specification, therefore we are pleased to provide you with the following
information with regard to your request.

It is unclear in your request to what type of 'line' you are referring,
however in researching prior correspondence with you, this response is
assuming you are referring to large scale detail plotted between the
terrace gable wall of number 19 Lime Grove and the front corner of
flats/maisonettes numbered 21/31 Lime Grove as published on the 1985
edition of map referenced SJ3396NW, but having been removed by the time of
the next map published in 1989 (as stated in our letter to you dated 12
February 2007).

If so, then we are uncertain what is meant by 'undefined'. The detail
referred to could be either a wall, fence, or hedge. Being a continuous
as opposed to a broken line, indicates what is currently referred to as an
'Obstructing feature' meaning an 'Alignment or outline of permanent detail
forming an obstruction greater than 0.3 m above ground level e.g. hedge,
fence, bank, wall, minor building outline.' Further information regarding
Ordnance Survey large scale specification can be found on our Feature
catalogue at:
[1]http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsit...,
click on the Feature catalogue.

As Ordnance Survey mapping specification has never required us to indicate
if an 'Obstructing feature' is integrally bound into the structure of a
building, we are unable to comment as to whether or not the feature
discussed attaches the two buildings together.

I would also like to draw your notice to a previous response dated 1st
March 2007 regarding detail related to 19 Lime Grove in which large scale
mapping specification was explained.

Please note that your enquiry has been processed to Freedom of Information
guidelines. To the extent that the public interest (section 17) applies,
we have determined that in all the circumstances of the case, the public
interest has been met with the full provision of all information in this
instance.

If you are unhappy with our response, you may raise an appeal to our
Appeals Officer at:

Customer Service Centre

Ordnance Survey

Romsey Road

SOUTHAMPTON

SO16 4GU

Please include the reference number above. The Appeals Officer will ensure
that the process has been followed correctly, questioning any decisions
taken regarding the original response and recommending disclosure of
additional information if appropriate.

Thank you for your enquiry.

Kind regards

Tony Gray

FOI Practitioner Ordnance Survey

C454, Romsey Road, SOUTHAMPTON, United Kingdom, SO16 4GU

Phone: +44 (0) 8456 050505

Fax: +44 (0) 23 8079 2615

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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)

24 November 2008

Dear Customer Services,

To determine which line i refer to contact the Land Registries
lawyer who informed me of it - and the date of the OS mapping etc -
via Mr Collis Chief Land Registrar

Yours sincerely,

fred robinson

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From: Customer Services
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24 November 2008

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From: Customer Services
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25 November 2008

Dear Mr Robinson

Further to your email of 24 November 2008; as this appears to be a Land
Registry case we are unable to comment further, and we recommend you
resolve this issue with them.

Kind regards

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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)

26 November 2008

Dear Customer Services,

The 'firm feature' referred to by the Land Registry is a line on OS
maps of Seaforth prior to the maisonettes in Kepler Street being
built and has nothing to do with the said maisonettes you refer to.

Yours sincerely,

fred robinson

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26 November 2008

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From: Customer Services
Ordnance Survey

28 November 2008

Dear Mr Robinson,

Further to your email of 26 November 2008; given that we are discussing
map detail which is prior to 1985, please can you clarify what period
(in years) you wish us to provide information on?

Yours sincerley

Tony Gray
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)

29 November 2008

Dear Customer Services,

I am not asking for the provision of information about any
particular year, only information on the definitions of what a line
can legitimately be construed as.

Yours sincerely,

fred robinson

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Christopher left an annotation ( 1 December 2008)

Does this as well as the OS-provided link not provide the information you are looking for?

"The detail referred to could be either a wall, fence, or hedge. Being a continuous as opposed to a broken line, indicates what is currently referred to as an 'Obstructing feature' meaning an 'Alignment or outline of permanent detail forming an obstruction greater than 0.3 m above ground level e.g. hedge, fence, bank, wall, minor building outline.'"

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fred robinson (Account suspended) left an annotation ( 1 December 2008)

Dear Christopher

Very instructive, do you know what the particular line did represent as the Land Registries lawyer seems not to.

fred robinson

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Christopher left an annotation ( 1 December 2008)

I wasn't adding any new information, I was just repeating what the Ordnance Survey wrote to you.

I believe the point is that they do not hold information as to what that specific item is; they can only tell you what sort of feature an un-broken line on a map represents. What that in mind, I wouldn't imagine OS can be of any further help at this point.

However there is a better version of the OS feature catalogue here (i.e. without broken images), illustrating the "obstructing feature" category: http://tinyurl.com/5qytoz

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fred robinson (Account suspended) left an annotation ( 2 December 2008)

Dear Christopher

I am simply clarifying what I have had written to me by a lawyer. I didn't say you were adding anything new.

- news flash - I can read what is said by the Survey.

You, unlike me, don't have a letter from the Survey saying they do not know if a wall running at right angles to another wall is a parallel feature with that other wall or not, even though it is on the mapping which they highlight and send to me questioning that fact.

So you see, it may be a little optimistic to believe everything you read from an organisation who have trouble with basic geometry.

fred robinson

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Attachment COR 08 9208 Fred Robinson Survey specification 69652.pdf
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Attachment COR 08 9200 Fred Robinson Letter 01.03.2007 61690 69652.pdf
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Reference: SAP 69652

Dear Mr Robinson

Thank you for your email dated 29 November requesting the definitions of
what a line can legitimately be construed as.

We are pleased to provide you with the following information with regard
to your request.

Please find attached the Ordnance Survey surveying instructions, pre
1985. This provides the description for the requested map detail as
used for the period 1963 to 1991 after which digital mapping became the
norm. I also attach a letter dated 1st March 2007 in which we explain
why we can not comment on detail surveyed at that time, in particular
refer to the 4th paragraph.

To the extent that section 17 applies, we have determined that in all
the circumstances of the case, the public interest has been met in the
disclosure of this information.

Please note that your enquiry has been processed to Freedom of
Information guidelines. If you are unhappy with our response, you may
raise an appeal to our Appeals Officer at:

Customer Service Centre
Ordnance Survey
Romsey Road
SOUTHAMPTON
SO16 4GU

Please include the reference number above. The Appeals Officer will
ensure that the process has been followed correctly, questioning any
decisions taken regarding the original response and recommending
disclosure of additional information if appropriate.

Thank you for your enquiry.

Yours sincerely,

Tony Gray
FOI Practitioner, Ordnance Survey
C454, Romsey Road, SOUTHAMPTON, United Kingdom, SO16 4GU
Phone: +44 (0) 8456 050505
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)

9 December 2008

Dear Customer Services,

My request for clarification of whether a firm line "adjoins" two
buildings appears never to have been asked by myself before, and
therefore, it cannot have been answered before and still remains
unanswered.

Sefton Council and the Land Registry say there was such an
"adjoinment" or "attachment" to 19 Lime Grove.

Sefton Council say that "adjoinment" was by means of "buildings
that were demolished in the 1960's when 19 Lime Grove was in a mid
terrace location in Lime Grove".

Sefton Council say that that "adjoinment" was substantial enough to
cause structural damage to 19 Lime Grove when it was demolished by
transforming the "party wall between the adjoining buildings and 19
Lime Grove into the gable wall of 19 Lime Grove and give rise to an
insurance claim by myself against the Council for that damage in
1993.

Sefton Council's Insurance Claims Managers confirm the 1993 damage
was allegedly claimed by myself against the Council in August and
September 1993.

One District Judge in the Liverpool County Court found such a claim
had never been made by me, another District Judge found that it had
been made by me between March and September 1994.

Sefton council have never verified to me that such a claim had been
made by me in 1993, they do verify such a claim to Maritime Housing
Association, and their Claims Managers, however, Sefton's CEO, a
barrister, verifies, after several reviews, that no such claim was
ever made by me.

The Land Registry say that "attachment" existed on mapping provided
to them by the Survey."

The Survey say that there was no mapping of the area done by them
between 1966 and 1970 or between 1970 and 1984 and know that their
mapping dated 1984, 1985, 1989 and, 1993 - and thus shown on the
Surveys digital maps after 1991 - shows an extension "adjoined or
attached" to the rear of 19 Lime Grove which was not in existence
on any of those dates.

The Land Registry use an OS map of the area dated 1975 to register
land which the Survey do not confirm as their mapping.

in 2000, Sefton Council refer a structural engineer to an OS map of
the area dated 1978 which the Survey do not confirm as their
mapping. The survey are aware by copies sent to them by myself of
this mapping and how their mapping had been forged by the Land
Registry.

The Survey refers me to aerial photographs which they seem to say
will show this "attachment or adjoinment" to 19 Lime Grove, an
"attachment or adjoinment" which does not appear on terrestrial
photographs taken by Sefton Council in March 1994.

Yours sincerely,

fred robinson

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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)

24 December 2008

Dear Sir or Madam,

I request an internal review

Yours sincerely,

fred robinson

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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)

3 January 2009

Dear Customer Services,

FOR YOUR INFORMATION

Freedom of Information Good Practice Guidance No. 5

Time limits on carrying out internal reviews

following requests for information under the Freedom of Information
Act 2000 The Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) has produced
this guidance as part of a series of good practice guidance
designed to help understand and apply the Freedom of Information
Act 2000 (FOIA). FOIA makes reference to complaints procedures at
section 45 (concerning the Code of Practice) and at section 50;
both relate to circumstances where an applicant wishes to complain
about the response of a public authority to a request for
information. The reference at section 50 concerns the discretion
that the Commissioner is allowed to exercise not to make a decision
in cases where a complainant has not exhausted a public authority’s
complaints procedure (also referred to as internal review). The
Commissioner considers it important that internal reviews are
completed as promptly as possible and so is introducing this
guidance setting out what he considers to be a reasonable timescale
for public authorities to undertake an internal review following a
request by an applicant. Section VI of the Section 45 Code of
Practice states that “each public authority should have a procedure
in place for dealing with complaints .... in relation to its
handling of requests for information.” This comprises desirable
practice for the purposes of FOIA, but it should be noted that
under the Environmental Information Regulations it is a requirement
for public authorities to consider representations made by
applicants for information. Consequently, most public authorities
under FOIA should already have the procedures in place to allow
them to perform an internal review. It is also important to note
that Refusal Notices must include either details of the public
authority’s complaints procedure or a statement that it does not
have one. This will assist the Commissioner in determining whether
or not an applicant, on making a complaint under section 50, has
exhausted the complaints procedure of the public authority.

The spirit of the Code is that internal reviews should be completed
as soon as possible. For example:

• a complaints procedure should be designed to allow prompt
determination of complaints (para 39) • target times should be set
for dealing with complaints (para 42).

• the code also recommends that the target times are reviewed
regularly and that each authority should publish them together with
information on its success in meeting those targets.

• there is also an implied recommendation, supported by guidance
issued by the Department for Constitutional Affairs, that the
complainant should be kept fully informed throughout the review
process. The Commissioner supports these recommendations and
intends, from time to time, to monitor conformity with them. Some
other factors to be noted are as follows:

• FOIA requires a request to be complied with “promptly and in any
event not later than the twentieth working day following the date
of receipt” which suggests that internal reviews should also be
completed promptly.

• Internal review is an important second opportunity for the public
authority to engage with an applicant and there are clear benefits
to both parties if the review is concluded within a reasonable
timeframe.

• The Freedom of Information Act (Scotland) 2002 stipulates an
internal review should be completed within 20 working days
following receipt of the request for review.

In view of all the above the Commissioner considers that a
reasonable time for completing an internal review is 20 working
days from the date of the request for review. There may be a small
number of cases which involve exceptional circumstances where it
may be reasonable to take longer. In those circumstances, the
public authority should, as a matter of good practice, notify the
requester and explain why more time is needed.

In our view, in no case should the total time taken exceed 40
working days. In such cases we would expect a public authority to
be able to demonstrate that it had commenced the review procedure
promptly following receipt of the request for review and had
actively worked on the review throughout that period. Some public
authorities have complaints procedures which have a number of
stages or levels. The Commissioner does not expect an internal
review of a response to an FOI request to have more than one stage.
Given that this is a review of a statutory process with clear
rights for requesters and obligations on public authorities, a
degree of formality is expected.

Enforcement

The Commissioner wants to ensure that a complainant has exhausted a
public authority’s internal review procedure, but at the same time
the complainant should not be unreasonably delayed in having his
complaint considered under section 50. Equally, it will be
beneficial to both complainant and public authority if an internal
review leads to a prompt and satisfactory outcome such that a
subsequent complaint to the Commissioner is not required. The
Commissioner has therefore set out above what he regards as
“reasonable” in terms of the timescale for completing an internal
review. He is keen to ensure that the time limit is adhered to and
that there are no unreasonable delays in carrying out reviews.

Internal reviews are referred to in the Code of Practice, and
significant or repeated unreasonable delays in dealing with
internal reviews may lead to monitoring by the Enforcement team
and, in some instances, structured intervention, for example, the
issuing of a Practice Recommendation. The Commissioner’s
Enforcement Strategy provides more detail about practice
recommendations and structured intervention.

More information

If you need any more information about this or any other aspect of
freedom of information, please contact us.

Phone: 08456 30 60 60 01625 54 57 45 (National rate) E-mail: please
use the online enquiry form on our website

Website: www.ico.gov.uk

Yours sincerely,

fred robinson

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Christopher left an annotation ( 5 January 2009)

You provide info stating "a reasonable time for completing an internal review is 20 working days from the date of the request for review," however it has only been three working days since your request.

Also, I'd imagine that the holiday period probably goes a way toward explaining the lack of acknowledgement, if that's your reason for posting this info.

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fred robinson (Account suspended) left an annotation ( 6 January 2009)

DEAR CHRISTOPHER

DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INFORMATION SUPPLIED BY THE INFORMATION COMMISSION ?

fred robinson

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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)

11 January 2009

Dear DEAR TONY GREY

FOR YOUR INFORMATION:

ALMOST EVERYTHING I HAVE ATTEMPTED TO EXTRACT FROM THE MANY
AUTHORITIES OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS OR SO IS ROOTED IN A FALSE
INSURANCE CLAIM REFERENCED W215732 DATED 1993, A CLAIM ALLEGEDLY
MADE BY ME AGAINST SEFTON COUNCIL FOR THE DEMOLITION OF NONE
EXISTENT BUILDINGS, AND BECAUSE OF THAT FALSE CLAIM, MANY
"AUTHORITIES" HAVE BEEN DRAWN IN AND BECOME INSTRUMENTAL IN
ASSISTING SEFTON IN THE CONCEALMENT OF, OR THE UPHOLDING OF THIS
INANE UNFOUNDED CLAIM, AND THE OTHER FRAUDULENT CLAIMS THAT FLOWED
FROM IT.

THIS IS INEVITABLY DONE BY "AUTHORITIES" EITHER PROVIDING ME WITH
FALLACIOUS INFORMATION WHICH, WILL NOT, EVEN WHEN THE "AUTHORITIES"
ARE CONFRONTED WITH THE EVIDENCE OF ITS UNTENABILITY ADMIT ITS
FALLACIOUS, AND CENSURE ME FOR ATTEMPTING TO HAVE IT DISCLOSED OR
PASS IT AROUND LIKE THE BAD SMELL IT IS IN THE HOPE IT WILL NOT
COME BACK, OR LIKE THE IC AND SEFTON, ACT AS IF IT IS I WHO AM IN
THE WRONG AND VEXATIOUS FOR DARING TO ASK FOR THE INFORMATION AGAIN
AND AGAIN AND AGAIN WITH NO CONSTRUCTIVE RESPONSE BEING GIVEN OR,
BEING TOLD THAT I HAVE BEEN GIVENTHE INFORMATION.

AUTHORISES LIKE THE IC, WHO DENIED ME OF MY RIGHT TO INFORMATION ON
SEFTON'S BEHALF, CULMINATING WITH THE PROVISION OF THE CONTENTION
THAT IT WAS NOT HELD IN A 'RELEVANT FILING SYSTEM' WHEN, SEFTON -
IF NOT THE COMMISSION - KNEW, IT WAS NOT HELD AT ALL AS IT WAS ,
APART FROM A HANDFUL OF MY PERSONAL INFORMATION FROM 1994, NONE
EXISTENT.

THE COVERT INFORMATION PROVIDED TO SEFTON BY THE COMMISSION,
ALLOWED SEFTON TO UPHOLD THE FALLACIOUS CONTENTION THAT I MADE AN
INSURANCE CLAIM AGAINST SEFTON IN 1993 TO REMAIN THE PRIME CAUSE OF
WHY MY HOUSE HAS A CHARGE ON IT BY ROYAL & SUNALLIANCE AND I OWE
TENS OF THOUSANDS OF POUNDS TO SEFTON COUNCIL AND OTHER PARTIES WHO
HAVE AIDED THEM, AGAIN, ALL DUE TO CLAIM W215732 DATED 1993.

IF THE REAL BILL TO THE PUBLIC FOR EVERTHING THAT HAS FLOWED FROM
THAT FALSE CLAIM, POSSIBLE FRAUDULENT SALE OF LAND AND TIME WASTED,
WAS ADDED UP. IT MUST BE IN THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF POUNDS BY
NOW WITH NO END IN SIGHT WITHOUT DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION.

MY PERSONAL INFORMATION HAS BEEN CYNICALLY PASSED FROM ONE
AUTHORITY TO ANOTHER FOR YEARS, INCLUDING PASSING BETWEEN THE IC
AND SEFTON MBC TO MY HUGE DISADVANTAGE AND COST.

THE ONLY WEAPON A CITIZEN HAS IS ACCURATE INFORMATION TO DEFEAT
AUTHORITIES WHO HAVE A HORRIBLE EFFECTS ON HIS HIS LIFE.

IT IS THEREFORE A GRIM IRONY THAT THE BODY CHARGED WITH THE
PROVISION OF INFORMATION, SEEKS TO DENY ITS ACCESS ON THE SAME
BASIS AS SEFTON AND THE COURTS - VEXATION.

NOTWITHSTANDING THE VEXATION I HAVE BEEN PUT TO BY THE ACTIVITIES
OF BOTH "AUTHORITIES NONE DISCLOSURE OF MY PERSONAL DATA AT THE
RELEVANT TIME.

I KNOW ITS HARD FOR A PERSON TO CONTEMPLATE DISMISSLE FROM YOUR JOB
AND PERHAPS CRIMINAL CHARGES, BUT THATS NOT MY FAULT AS THAT PERSON
CHOSE TO DO AS HE, OR SHE DID.

NOR SHOULD IT BE SEEN TO BE BY THE CONSTANT DENIAL OF ONE SIMPLE
TRUTH THAT WILL UNDO THE MATTER.

THAT SIMPLE TRUTH LIES AT THE HEART OF THE MATTER AND IS:

HOW COULD I HAVE MADE A LEGITIMATE CLAIM FOR THE DEMOLITION OF NONE
EXISTENT BUILDINGS WHEN I LIVED IN A MID TERRACE LOCATION IN LIME
GROVE ?

WHICH LEADS TO, THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE LAND REGISTRY PROVIDING ME
WITH FALSE TITLE PLANS AND SUPPORT THAT 19 AND 21 LIME GROVE WERE
ADJOINED AND THE OS DENYING THEIR OWN MAPPING.

TURNING TO YOUR E-MAIL BELOW FEIGNING IGNORANCE OF THE CONSTANT
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE COMMISSION FOR YEARS:

Thank you for your correspondence dated 24 December, however it is
not clear what further information you are seeking. In your email
you ask how we can conclude that a request can be deemed to be
vexatious under the FOIA without knowing the identity of “an
authority.” In your email of 19 December you had asked us to
“please confirm or deny that a first time request, that has never
been asked before and, therefore, never been answered within the
confines of the Act, can be vexatious under any section of the
Act.” This is a general question about the Act itself and not about
the decision of a particular public authority and thus in answering
it we would not need to know the identity of any authority as the
Act applies the same to all public authorities.

TO ANSWER PART OF THAT QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE FOIA AND DPA:

Two of he "authority" were the "IC's" Mr Andrew Damm's who engaged
in correspondence with the other "authority" Sefton Council
regarding two boxes of my data allegedly from 1994 held by Sefton.

Ultimately Sefton used and passed onto Royal & SunAlliance, the
contention - given to them by Mr Damms - that my information from
1994 fell under the 'Durant' ruling as it was not held in a
relevant filing system and consisting of some 700 documents held by
Sefton's Technical Services and Insurance Sections.

The evidence provided by Mr Damns was referred to by myself in
claim W215732 on April 16th 2005 preventing Sefton from using it
with regard to 'Durant' it in the same manner as Royal &
SunAlliance had done in February 2005 to deny me access to my
personal data held by them regarding another fraudulent claim
RR98XN dated January 17th 1994 and, appear to have persuaded two
District Judge's, to strike out my claims against both Sefton and
Royal & SunAlliance on the basis of 'Durant" and deny me access to
my personal information to the font of my January 1994 'claims'.

I HAVE RECENTLY MADE FIRST TIME FOI REQUESTS TO THE IC, AND SEFTON
REGARDING THE TIME WHEN THE PROPER DISCLOSURE TO ME SHOULD HAVE
BEEN MADE REGARDING THEIR "COVERT CORRESPONDENCE" AND MEETINGS THEM
REGARDING MY DPA APPLICATION - ALLEGEDLY REGARDING 700 DOCUMENTS
DATED 1994.

BOTH THE COUNCIL AND THE IC NOW RELY ON EACH OTHER NOT TO CONFIRM
OR DENY WHAT IN FACT THEY KNOW AND IT WILL COME TO TRANSPIRE THAT
ANY ACTION SEFTON TAKE IN NOT RESPONDING TO MY FOI REQUESTS, NOT
ONLY WILL, BUT MUST, BE SUPPORTED BY THE IC AS IT HAS BEEN IN THE
PAST AND WHO KNOWS - EVEN NOW THERE MAY BE COVERT INFORMATION
FLOWING BETWEEN THE IC AND THE COUNCIL AGAIN IN PREPARATION.

FOR YOUR FURTHER INFORMATION - SOME CORRESPONDENCE FROM 2003 TO
2005 REGARDING THESE 700 DOCUMENTS NOT HELD IN A "RELATIVE FILING
SYSTEM" AND THE PERNICIOUS EFFECT OF THE CONCEALMENT OF WHAT THE IC
AND SEFTON KNEW, AND COLLUDED ABOUT DURING THAT TIME.

As you see below I am reliant on the information being fed to me by
the being true.

LETTER TO SEFTONS MR HUFF APRIL 10TH 2003

I still await a response to my allegations of breaches of the act
which was promised to me by the Councils Legal Director on March
4th 2003. I would point out that there are many letters to and from
the Housing and Environmental Departments missing from my data.
Will you send them? I most especially request a copy of my letter
to the Council dated 17/12/98 and responded to by DSOM/402/98/CG on
22/12/98. RSVP

LETTER TO SEFTONS MR HUFF MAY 25TH 2003

I refer you to past correspondence regarding the assertion by the
Council I am not entitled to data you hold on me. I have been
informed by the information commission today that you are in breach
of the act. I have requested ALL of the information I am entitled
to and this has not been provided. I have also been told my
assertions, you have breached the act, would be addressed, this has
not occurred. I have requested an explanation of this and have
received none. I contend that the information I seek is being
withheld against my right to obtain it with the purpose of avoiding
censure. I formally request you address these matters and inform me
why you believe I am not entitled to the information I have
requested and, to address the matter of breaches of the act.

LETTER TO MR HUFF JUNE 13TH 2003

With regard to my recent application under The Data Protection Act,
I formally request that you provide me with ALL copies of my
correspondence with the following Council Departments between the
dates I now provide. I am told by The Information Commission that
you cannot assume I have my own copies. I request copies of my
correspondence with:

The Planning Department between September 1999 and the present.

The Environmental Protection Department (Mr Cannon) between May
2001 and December 2002.

The Housing Department between December 2001 and December 2002.

Building Control Services (Mr Woods and Mr Edgerton and Mr Heywood
CEO - related to this correspondence) between September and
November 2000 also that to Ms Gillard, Housing Maintenance, Pendle
Drive, Litherland.

I still await a copy of my letter to the Council dated 17/12/98
which was answered by Mr Mc Lennan on December 22nd 1998, ref:
DSMO/402/98/CG.

I look forward to the provision of these copies and a response to
my correspondence with you dated 10/4/03 - 25/5/03 - 15/5/03.

I REMIND YOU THAT THE DATA (MUCH OF IT FALSE) YOU HOLD WITH REGARD
TO MYSELF IS PART OF A 'SET' AND PARTS OF IT CANNOT BE WITHHELD, I
THEREFORE REQUEST ALL OF MY CORRESPONDENCE FROM 1994 TO MR BOARDMAN
AND MR BARR BE COPIES TO ME. [6 items]

NB I would also request any 'fax' messages and memos associated
with the above on the basis that these are also part of a 'set' of
data. I also request ALL documents to and from third parties with
regard to the above.

I wish to complain that some documents sent to me already have been
'cropped', this appears to have been done to remove information
from them. The normal copying process does not reduce the size of
the copy paper.

LETTER TO MR HUFF NOVEMBER 1ST 2003: DATA PROTECTION FORMAL REQUEST
FOR DATA

With regard to my letter to you dated June 31st 2003 I request you
send me the data I requested, and am entitled to. BY LAW.

WITH REGARD TO THE DATA FROM 1994 I REQUEST THAT YOU SEND ME COPIES
OF MY LETTERS TO SMBC WHICH WERE ACKNOWLEDGED ON FEBRUARY 28TH 1994
BY MRB/HMB/HSG1197AR. AND FROM APRIL 6TH 1994 ACKNOWLEDGED BY
MRB/HSG/1197AR DATED APRIL 15TH 1994.

WITH REGARD TO A CLAIM - I ALLEGEDLY MADE IN 1993 AGAINST SMBC
UNDER POLICY: SEFPPL93 WITH AON CLAIMS MANAGERS - AND WHICH IS ALSO
KNOWN BY THE REFERENCE W215732 - ROBINSON. I REQUEST COPIES OF ANY
CORRESPONDENCE WITH AON* BETWEEN AUGUST 1993 AND MARCH 1996 WHICH
REFERS TO CLAIM REFERENCE W215732 - ROBINSON.

I also request details of a claim said - by Mr Barr, ref:
GRB/JBJ/HSG1187 and dated 12th January 2000 - to have been "settled
off" in August 1997, which was made by me against SMBC with regard
to my gable wall related to demolition of a "nib wall."

* Aon/Rollin Hudig Hall.

LETTER FILED AT COURT IN CLAIM LV360271 ROBINSON V SEFTON MBC ON
APRIL 15TH 2005

RELEVANT FILING SYSTEM - INFORMATION COMMISSION

WITH REGARD TO THE DATA REFERRED TO IN THE LETTER WRITTEN TO THE
COURT ON OCTOBER 11TH 2004 BY MR GIBSON. THE DATA THAT THE
INFORMATION COMMISSION AFFIRM IS NOT HELD IN A RELEVANT FILING
SYSTEM IS SOLELY THAT FROM 1994. IT APPEARS THAT THIS DATA HAS
ALLEGEDLY BEEN 'LOST' BY THE COUNCIL IN ANY CASE. THE INFORMATION
COMMISSION CONFIRMS TO ME THAT MY OWN CORRESPONDENCE CANNOT BE
WITHHELD FROM ME - WHICH IS THE CASE REGARDING MY CORRESPONDENCE
WITH THE COUNCIL OF 1994. SEFTON HAVE NOT CONFIRMED TO THE COURT
THEY HAVE THIS CORRESPONDENCE FROM 1994.

THE INFORMATION COMMISSION HAS NOT MADE ANY ASSESSMENT REGARDING
DATA AFTER 1994. THEIR VIEW, WITH REGARD TO THE NUMBERED
DOCUMENTATION I CLAIMED I HAD NOT HAD, IS THAT THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE
PROVIDED IT TO ME IN AN UN-NUMBERED FORM. THIS VIEW IS STATED TO ME
BY THE INFORMATION COMMISSION IN A LETTER DATED NOVEMBER 25TH 2003
AND SEEMINGLY CONFIRMED BY MYSELF, AS DURING THE BUILDING OF THE
FILE FOR THE COURT CASE, I STRIPPED ALL THE HUNDRED OF DOCUMENTS
THAT COMPRISE MY OWN FILES, COMPLAINT FILES AND VARIOUS
CORRESPONDENCES, DURING THE COURSE OF WHICH I DISCOVERED MANY MORE
COPY DOCUMENTS THAT INDEED I DO HAVE IN NUMBERED, TWICE NUMBERED
WITH DIFFERENT NUMBERS, AND UN - NUMBERED FORM. FROM WHAT I NOW
HAVE, IT IS POSSIBLE TO EXTRAPOLATE SOME OF THE NUMBERED DOCUMENTS
I DO NOT HAVE.

THE COUNCIL STATE A LIST OF NUMBERED DOCUMENTS HAD BEEN SENT TO THE
INFORMATION COMMISSION. THIS MAY HAVE CONFIRMED THE COMMISSIONERS
VIEW I HAD COPIES OF THEM. THE DOCUMENTS BETWEEN OCTOBER 1993 AND
JANUARY 1995 ARE NOT NUMBERED.

14 UNDISCLOSED TO ME, DOCUMENTS PRIOR TO AUGUST 1993 ARE NUMBERED.

THE INFORMATION COMMISSIONS LETTER TO ME OF NOVEMBER 25TH 2003, MAY
WELL HAVE BEEN COPIED TO SEFTON MBC AS, ON THAT DATE MR GIBSON
WROTE TO ME STATING THAT, WITH REGARD TO "MY FILE" HE WANTED TO
MEET ME REGARDING LETTERS I HAD WRITTEN TO THE LEGAL AND TECHNICAL
SERVICES DIRECTORS ON NOVEMBER 20TH 2003 - COPIES OF WHICH I
ATTACH.

WITH REGARD TO DATA PROVIDED TO ME BY ROYAL & SUNALLIANCES
HOXWORTH,

COUNCIL DOCUMENTATION REGARDING THE KEPLER STREET DEVELOPMENT,
WHICH I AM NOT ENTITLED TO UNDER THE DATA PROTECTION ACT EMERGED.
IT MAY WELL BE THAT THIS IS THE DATA THAT THE COUNCIL REFER TO AS
THAT OF 1994.

IN SHORT, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MY CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE
INFORMATION COMMISSION, IS THAT.

NO DATA REGARDING FALSE CLAIMS ALLEGEDLY MADE BY MYSELF ARE
ASSESSED BY THE INFORMATION COMMISSION TO BE EXEMPT UNDER THE ACT.
THIS IS CONFIRMED IN THEIR LETTER TO ME DATED AUGUST 6TH 2002 WHICH
I SUBMITTED TO THE COURT ON DECEMBER 17TH 2003 TO PROVE THE COURT
HAD JURISDICTION IN MY CLAIM.

WITH REGARD TO THE DATA SEFTON HOLD IN THEIR CARDBOARD BOXES IT
APPEARS - AS WITH THE DATA FROM 1994 - THAT THIS DATA FORMS NO PART
OF THE DATA SUPPLIED TO ME UNDER THE ACT BECAUSE IT IS PRIVILEGED
AND NOT NUMBERED.

IT ALSO APPEARS THAT THE COUNCILS MISLEADING ASSERTION THAT THE
INFORMATION COMMISSION ALLEGEDLY ENDORSED THE VIEW THAT 'NO DATA'
WAS HELD IN A RELEVANT FILING SYSTEM - PROVIDED TO THE COURT ON
OCTOBER 11TH 2004 AFTER THE SEFTON AND ROYAL & SUNALLIANCE CASES
HAD BEEN COMBINED - IS THE 'EVIDENCE' ROYAL & SUNALLIANCE RELIED ON
WITH REGARD TO THE 'DURANT CASE' IN MY CLAIM AGAINST THEM.

CLEARLY THIS ALLEGED EVIDENCE WAS NOT, NOR COULD BE, EVIDENCE
RELIED ON IN ANY APPLICATION TO THE COURT PRIOR TO OCTOBER 11TH
2004 BY EITHER DEFENDANT.

SEFTON, BY NEVER MAKING AN APPLICATION OR DEFENCE, HAVE NEVER
STATED ANYTHING THEY RELY ON AS EVIDENCE.

I WILL HAND DELIVER A COPY OF THIS LETTER TO SEFTON MBC.

Yours sincerely,

fred robinson

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26 January 2009

Dear Customer Services,

I REFER YOU TO THE APHORISM:

“IF YOU WISH TO FIND THE CRIMINALS, DON’T FOLLOW THE CRIMINALS,
FOLLOW THE MONEY.”

FOR THE MONEY READ THE LAND

In 1962: Crosby Council, initiated a compulsory purchase order to
buy a plot of land to the south of Lime Grove consisting of Maple
Grove, Willow Grove, Bangor Street and Beaumaris Street which is
shown on OS SJ3396.

This land was subsequently filed under title LA45343 at the Land
Registry.

In December 1964: Land to the north of Lime Grove, bought under a
compulsory purchase order by Crosby Council, was registered under
title LA45086 at the Land Registry using OS SJ3396 dated 1955.

By 1968: Numerous streets to the north of 19 Lime Grove, including
21 Lime Grove, had been demolished, the land cleared, and
maisonettes built on it. This land became known as the Kepler
Street Estate.

One of the maisonette blocks, 21 to 39 Lime Grove, was built some 5
metres from the gable wall of 19 Lime Grove.

The level of the land adjacent to 19 Lime Grove was consequently
lowered by Crosby Council’s contractors to accommodate the building
of these maisonettes, and the support that this land had previously
given to 19 Lime Groves gable wall was removed and, in so doing,
exposed the shallow footing of part of 19 Lime Grove’s gable wall.

Crosby Council’s building contractors, Mathew and Mumby,
subsequently replaced the former support with two Party Boundary
Structures in the forms of what are known as, the ‘screen wall' and
the 'old footings' some 700mm square which were constructed
abutting the gable wall of 19 Lime Grove around 1968.

The first and most significant of these structures being the ‘old
footings.’ The term 'old footings' a misnomer as they 'footed'
nothing and were in fact a ‘buttress.’ They remain in place today
and, with the land they stand on, are, and have been since 1994,
the property of Maritime Housing Association.

The second was a wall built abutting the gable wall of 19 Lime
Grove around its centre, and extending to abut the gable wall of
the maisonette block, 21 to 39 Lime Grove near its front elevation.

The location of this wall is of some significance as it was
constructed at the point where the footings of the gable wall
descend into a cellar and thus obviate the need for support beyond
that point.

Clearly those structures belonged to Crosby Council.

This is borne out by the fact that the brick cladding of the gable
wall of the maisonettes was, the same brick as used to construct
the screen wall, and obviously, both structures stood on Crosby
Council’s land.

The structure the ‘screen wall’ was first shown on OS SJ3396 in
October 1969, and by October 1989, (according to a ruling in the
House of Lords) 19 Lime Grove had obtained a legal right to the
support it gave.

Beyond the rear of the screen wall where, the footings were exposed
by the excavation of the land, is where the old footings abutted
it, and from there commenced, it is abundantly clear that no other
purpose can be attributed to this constructions other than to give
support to the gable wall of 19 Lime Grove and, that purpose, in
the absence of any other, would be obvious to an engineer,
architect, surveyor or any competent builder.

This contention is borne out by the fact that the old footings
extend beyond the gable wall and continue to give support not only
to the gable wall but also to the boundary wall which, extends some
four metres from the gable wall.

The ‘old footings’ are still in situ but, have never been recorded
on an OS map. They could not be removed at any time after 1984
without causing structural damage to my property.

In 1973: A new version of OS SJ3396 was drawn which did not
included the Star of the Sea Junior School, built in 1974, but did
included the maisonettes 21 to 39 Lime Grove with the boundary
structure, the 'screen wall' still shown running at right angles
between the respective gable walls of 19, and 21 to 39 Lime Grove.

In 1978: A new version of OS SJ3396 was drawn which included the
Star of the Sea Junior School, the maisonettes 21 to 39 Lime Grove
with the boundary structure, the 'screen wall' still shown running
at right angles between the respective gable walls of 19, and 21 to
39 Lime Grove.

In March 1977: The land, known as the Kepler Street Estate, filed
at the Land Registry in 1964 under the title number LA45343 using
the 1969 OS SJ3396 map: had removed from it a parcel of land
re-registered under title MS351603 which included the maisonettes
21 to 39 Lime Grove with the boundary structure, the 'screen wall'
still shown running at right angles between the respective gable
walls of 19, and 21 to 39 Lime Grove.

In April 1977 The land filed at the Land Registry under title
number LA45343 using OS SJ3396 dated 1966: had removed from it two
parcels of land that were also re-registered under title MS351603.
The 1966 OS SJ3396 did not include the maisonettes 21 to 39 Lime
Grove with the boundary structure, the 'screen wall' shown running
at right angles between the respective gable walls of 19, and 21 to
39 Lime Grove, because in 1966 they had not been built.

In 1984/5 Sefton Council revamped the maisonettes including 21 to
39 Lime Grove and reduced the screen wall from some 5 metres long
to a 'nib wall' some 1.5 metres long and built a pier on its end.

Clearly Sefton Council also attached some significance to the
screen wall’s role of support to my gable wall, and just as
clearly, their actions prove that they owned it by virtue of them
reducing and strengthening it, something Maritime Housing
Association seemed unaware of, because when they wrote to me on
October 5th 1999 - in response to a photograph of the nib wall in
situ, taken by Sefton Council (their appointed agents) on March
14th 1994 during a survey which, in June 2000, Maritime did know
about and, which they also (then, if not before) knew was prior to
the demolition of the maisonette block 21 to 39 Lime Grove - they
stated:

“Sefton as our agent, are responsible for controlling building
operations on our behalf, but as I have already said, demolition
was still taking place up to September 1994, which had nothing to
do with Maritime…looking at the photograph you have sent me I
notice what appears to be either a newly built brick pier attached
to your wall, or an old pier that has been repointed…I would
question who constructed, or repointed, the brick pier. ”

In 1989: A new version of OS SJ3396 was drawn showing no screen
wall between 19 and 21 to 39 Lime Grove.

On August 13th 1993: Planning Permission for:

“Erection of single story and 2 storey dwellings after demolition
of the existing maisonettes.”

Was granted to Maritime Housing Association.

On September 25th 1992: The three titles, taken from Titles LA54086
and LA45343, and filed under MS351603, were Registered separately
to Sefton MBC at Bootle Town Hall, and Southport Town Hall.

On October 28th 1993: Sefton Council’s Housing Standing Sub
Committee resolved, that:

“Demolition of maisonette blocks at Kepler Street prior to
development by Maritime Housing Association. (1) That the
appropriate officer be authorised to implement the demolition works
by acceptance of the tender of GTB Demolition company…in the sum of
£95,693 subject to the land being acquired by Maritime Housing
Association by December 31st 1993. That subject to (1) above the
Borough Property Services Officer be authorised to issue a letter
of intent in advance of formal contract documentation.”

On December 16th 1992: Sefton Council’s Housing Standing Sub
Committee considered the report of the Borough Property Services
Officer recommending the transfer of land for two new build sites
to Maritime Housing Association.

On December 13th 1993: A new version of OS SJ3396 was drawn showing
no screen wall between 19 and 21 to 39 Lime Grove.

On December 24th 1993 Sefton Council and Maritime Housing
Association, after taxation, signed and sealed the transfer
documents for the sale of 3.5 acres of land under titles 1. (a)
LA45086 and (b) LA45343.

This land consisted of the three plots filed in March and April
1977 with the Land Registry under the title numbers LA45086 and
LA45343 re-referenced to Sefton on September 25th 1992 which, the
transfer document shows were to be given a new title number with
another two parcels of land, i.e.:

(c) the land comprised in an agreement dated 7 August 1967 made
between Liverpool Roman Catholic Archdiocese & Trustees
Incorporating (1) and the Mayor Aldermen and Burgesses of the
Borough of Crosby.

(d) the land comprised in a Statutory Declaration dated December
16th 1993 made by Michael Scott.

There were on December 24th 1993, to my knowledge, five distinct OS
SJ3396, maps of the Kepler Street estate available, they were:

The first dated October 1969 – showing the screen wall

The Second dated 1973 - showing the screen wall

The third dated 1978 – showing the screen wall

The fourth dated 1989 – showing no screen wall

The fifth dated December 13th 1993 – showing no screen wall

Bound with the transfer documents was a ‘cut and pasted’ version of
OS map SJ3396 comprising of: an ‘outer section’ being OS SJ3396
dated 1978 showing the Star of the Sea School and,

an ‘inner section’ depicting the land filed under titles MS351603,
united by a section of public highway named Maple Close.

The screen wall, despite being on both of the versions of OS SJ3396
used in the forgery, had been erased from this transfer map.

The altered OS map SJ3396 provided for sale of the land is a forged
instrument under s.8. (1) (a) and 9 (2) of the Forgery and
Counterfeiting Act 1981 as it does not depict the presence of the
party Boundary Structure 'the screen wall' and is clearly
calculated to deceive.

This document also breaches s. 183 (1) of the Law of Property Act
1925 as neither Sefton or Maritime showed "due diligence" in the
sale of the land in breach of s. 2 of the Property Misdescriptions
Act 1991.

At 2, of the transfer document it is stated:

“It is agreed between the Council and the Association that any
boundary structure now or hereafter constructed within 80 years of
the date herein between the property herby transferred and the
adjoining land of the Council are party boundary structures and are
maintainable and repairable as such.”

This land is identified at 3, of the transfer documents as land
referenced by Planning Permission as 93/03897/S. this reference was
given to me by Sefton Council’s Planning Department as land
provided for: “Erection of single story and 2 storey dwellings
after demolition of the existing maisonettes.”

This permission was the permission granted on August 13th 1993.

The above dwellings are all now in situ on the land registered to
Sefton Council under title MS351603 on September 25th 1992, taken
from title LA43086 1977.

These dwellings are also identified in a ‘memo’ from Sefton’s Mr
Barr, to Sefton’s Mr Williams: Referenced HSG 1188/2, and dated
November 12th 1999 in which Mr Barr states, with regard to 19 Lime
Grove – with a twist as to responsibility:

“This particular dwelling lies within an area which was redeveloped
by the Council in conjunction with Maritime Housing Association
during the period January 1994 to September 1995. The work
basically involved the demolition of 7 blocks of 4 storey
maisonettes and the construction of 49 new 2 storey traditionally
built houses as part of the City Challenge program relating to
relocation of residents of the former Rimrose Housing Estate.”

And further, with another twist:

On November 16th 1999, Fawley Construction, Maritime’s Building
contractor, wrote the following to me:

1. “Our site plan 417/01 was adapted from Sefton Council’s drawing
HSG 1187.1A which did not show a nib wall attached to your
property, therefore one was not included on our drawing submitted
for planning approval.”

2. Drawing HSG 1187, a used as part of the transfer map, and is
marked as a Sefton Planning Department drawing based on OS SJ3396
dated 1978, which has had the screen wall erased from it.

3. This clearly shows that Sefton and Fawley, if not Maritime, had
a drawing, and knowledge, at the planning stage of the development
in August 1993 that showed no nib wall abutting my gable wall. All
three had contractual obligations to each other.

On August 31st 1994 the land shown on the forged OS map used to
transfer the land at both Kepler Street, shown on title LA45086,
and Maple Grove, shown on LA45343 which was united by the public
highway, Maple Close, was registered by the Land Registry under
title MS351603 to Maritime Housing, at 2, of the office copy of the
Property Register dated February 3rd 2006, it states:

“2. (21.01.1994) A transfer of the land in this title dated 24
December 1993 made between (1) The metropolitan Borough of Sefton
and (2) Maritime Housing Association Limited contains the following
provision:-

2, It is agreed between the Council and the Association that any
boundary structure now or hereafter constructed within 80 years of
the date herein between the property herby transferred and the
adjoining land of the Council are party boundary structures and are
maintainable and repairable as such.”

The title map that accompanies this title is a forgery which again,
like the transfer map is composed of two versions of OS SJ3386 cut
and pasted together, this time, the outer section is that of OS
SJ3396 dated 1984 showing the Star of the Sea junior school, and
the inner section, that of OS SJ3396 dated 1969, clumsily overlaid
on it which has, amongst other things, removed the pavement between
Seaforth Road and 19 Lime Grove and the entire pavement from
Seaforth Road and the opposite side of Lime Grove through to Maple
Close from it.

This title map is marked: Crown copyright 1975.

The altered OS map SJ3396 draw by the Land Registry for
registration of the land is a forged instrument under s.8. (1) (a)
and 9 (2) of the Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981 as it does not
depicts the presence of the party Boundary Structure 'the screen
wall' and is clearly calculated to deceive.

This document also breaches s. 183 (1) of the Law of Property Act
1925 as the Registry did not show "due diligence" in the production
of this title map and also breach of s. 2 of the Property
Misdescriptions Act 1991.

Yours sincerely,

fred robinson

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From: Customer Services
Ordnance Survey

28 January 2009

Our Ref: SAP 70055

Dear Mr Robinson

Thank you for your email dated 24 December 2008, requesting an internal
review.

Please note that Ordnance Survey is considering your request for an
internal review. As your request was received by us on 24 December 2008
we will provide you with a full response within 40 working days, meaning
by 26 February 2009.

Yours sincerely

Tony Gray
FOI Practitioner,
Ordnance Survey, Romsey Road, SOUTHAMPTON, United Kingdom, SO16 4GU
Phone: +44 (0) 8456 050505
Fax: +44 (0) 23 8079 2615
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)

29 January 2009

Dear TONY GREY

OK

Yours sincerely,

fred robinson

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6 February 2009


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Our Reference: SAP 70055

Dear Mr Robinson

Thank you for your recent request for information, received in pursuance
of the Freedom of Information Act.

We have now completed our investigations into your request for an
internal review, and our response to your enquiry is attached.

Yours sincerely,

Tony Harris
Freedom Of Information Appeals Officer
Customer Service Centre, Ordnance Survey
C454, Romsey Road, SOUTHAMPTON, United Kingdom, SO16 4GU
Phone: +44 (0) 8456 050505
Fax: +44 (0) 23 8079 2615
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)

8 February 2009

Dear Tony Harris

YOUR RESPONSE:

“Ordinance Survey has provided you with all the information it
holds.”

I TRUST THAT YOU ARE CONFIRMING THAT THERE IS NO MAPPING HELD BY
THE SURVEY THAT SHOWS 19 AND 21 LIME GROVE WERE EVER ATTACHED OR
ADJOINED BY ANY MEANS AND,

THIS IS INFORMATION YOU COULD HAVE NEVER PROVIDED TO ANY OTHER
LICENCED PARTY BY WAY OF ANY VERSION OF OS SJ3386 AS NO VERSION OF
OS SJ3396 SHOWS SUCH AN ATTACHMENT OR ADJOINMENT.

Yours sincerely,

fred robinson

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