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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
16 November 2008
Dear Sir or Madam,
Will you confirm or deny the County transferred all the land it
owned in Seaforth to Sefton Council by deed in 1974 and has not
owned any land in Seaforth since.
Yours faithfully,
fred robinson
From: Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
17 November 2008
Dear Mr Robinson,
Request for information under the Freedom of Information Act 2000
We are writing to acknowledge receipt of your email dated 16^th November
2008, in which you request the disclosure of information under the
provisions of the above Act.
We have begun a search for the information you require and shall contact
you again when we are in a position to respond further. Should we envisage
any delays, or require more details from you, we will contact you
immediately.
In the meantime, if you have any queries about the above, do not hesitate
to contact us, quoting ref. RFI 631/2008.
Yours sincerely,
On behalf of the Freedom of Information Team
Freedom of Information | Access to Information Team
Lancashire County Council, PO Box 78, County Hall,
Preston, PR1 8XJ
Tel: 01772 531116 | 01772 530949
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From: Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
18 November 2008
Dear Mr Robinson,
Request for information under the Freedom of Information Act 2000
Further to your email, dated 16^th November, in which you request the
disclosure of information under the provisions of the above Act, we are
now in a position to respond.
In accordance with the 1972 Local Government Act, the County Council
transferred all its property interests in respect of land in Seaforth and
in the (then) Merseyside County Council as a whole, on 1^st April 1974.
On the dissolution of the Merseyside County Council, the Deeds would have
transferred to the Residuary Body, and subsequently on to the District
Councils.
Please note that certain properties or land may never have been in the
ownership of Lancashire County Council, as same would have been in the
ownership of the Borough Councils prior to Local Government
reorganisation.
We trust that our response is satisfactory, but in the event that you wish
to complain about the manner in which your enquiry has been handled, you
should write in the first instance to The Freedom of Information Officer,
Lancashire County Council, PO Box 78, County Hall, Preston PR1 8XJ, or
email [1][Lancashire County Council request email]
If, after this stage, you remain dissatisfied, you have the right to refer
the matter to the Information Commissioner, whose contact details are as
follows:
The Information Commissioner
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
Tel: 01625 545700
Email: [2][email address]
Website: [3]http://www.ico.gov.uk
If you have any queries regarding our response, or you require any
additional information, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Yours sincerely,
Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
PO Box 78
County Hall
Preston
PR1 8XJ
Tel: (01772) 531116
Fax: (01772) 530949
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
18 November 2008
Dear Freedom of Information,
Your response refers to the "deeds (premsumably held by Merseyside
County Council) being transferred to the 'District Council' from
Merseyside County Council" and not transferred to Sefton MBC by the
County Council, will you please clarify.
Yours sincerely,
fred robinson
From: Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
18 November 2008
Dear Mr Robinson,
Further to your email of 18^th November, we can confirm that any Deeds
that were held by Lancashire County Council and which should have been
transferred to Merseyside were transferred in 1974. In approximately 1985
the Residuary Body was set up with the task of sorting out the handover of
Merseyside County Council functions (including Title Deeds) to the
District Councils. We understand that Merseyside County Council ceased to
be in 1986.
The Residuary Body were responsible (amongst other things) for the
handover of Merseyside County Council's Deeds to the relevant District
Council.
We trust that this clarifies matters and will now close your request.
Yours sincerely,
Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
PO Box 78
County Hall
Preston
PR1 8XJ
Tel: (01772) 531116
Fax: (01772) 530949
Email: [1][Lancashire County Council request email]
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
18 November 2008
Dear Freedom of Information,
Are you saying that the deeds in question were not transferred to
Sefton in 1974. Please clarify.
Yours sincerely,
fred robinson
From: Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
25 November 2008
Dear Mr Robinson,
Further to your email of 18th November, we have now had the opportunity to
consult further with the Deeds Manager. Having made extensive searches of
available records, the Deeds Manager is able to confirm that, whilst
various Deeds in respect of various Committees went to Merseyside, it
would appear that Education and Social Services land went Directly to
Sefton (or the relevant District Council if not Sefton) in 1974.
In any event, all the Deeds eventually ended up at the relevant District
Councils via the Residuary Body after the disestablishment of the
Merseyside County Council. Therefore, any Sefton records that were
transferred to Merseyside will have ultimately ended up with Sefton.
We hope this clarifies matters, and I apologise for any confusion caused
by previous responses. In the event that you wish to complain about our
handling of your request, please refer to the details in previous
correspondence.
Yours sincerely,
Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
PO Box 78
County Hall
Preston
PR1 8XJ
Tel: (01772) 531116
Fax: (01772) 530949
Email: [1][Lancashire County Council request email]
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
26 November 2008
Dear Freedom of Information,
I find your answer confusing as to the date the deeeds 'went' to
Sefton from the Residual body - if the Residule body was not set up
until 1985- it appears the deeds went to Sefton in 1985 or later,
can you clarify.
Yours sincerely,
fred robinson
From: Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
26 November 2008
Dear Mr Robinson,
Our previous correspondence clearly states that deeds in respect of
Education and Social Services land went "Directly to Sefton in 1974"
However, other deeds not included in the above were not transferred to
Sefton in 1974, but to Merseyside, and were subsequently transferred to
Sefton, from Merseyside, by the Residual Body several years later. In
addition, we can confirm that Lancashire County Council has not owned
any land in Seaforth since.
We believe that this satisfies your request that we "confirm or deny the
County transferred all the land it owned in Seaforth to Sefton Council
by deed in 1974 and has not owned any land in Seaforth since".
We apologise for any earlier confusion caused, but now consider this
request closed.
Yours sincerely,
Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
PO Box 78
County Hall
Preston
PR1 8XJ
Tel: (01772) 531116
Fax: (01772) 530949
Email: [Lancashire County Council request email]
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
29 November 2008
Dear Freedom of Information,
When you say the County has "not owned any land in Seaforth
since...." do you mean "since 1974", or "since" these "other deeds"
of the County's land - apart from the "educational and social
services land - owned by the County were "sent to the Residual Body
several years later".
With regard to the "educational and social services land", is this
the land at Kepler Street Seaforth used to build the Star of the
Sea, Infant and, Junior Schools on after the Star of the Sea School
in Seaforth Vale was closed and the pupils transferred to the above
new Schools.
Do you still hold records of the title numbers of the land you
refer to above so that I may identify it via the Land Registry.
Yours sincerely,
fred robinson
From: Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
1 December 2008
Dear Mr Robinson,
All relevant deeds were transferred in 1974, whether direct to Sefton or
to Merseyside County Council.
Further, having regard to the nature of the `whatdotheyknow' website,
should you wish to introduce new questions, it may be better in future to
`register' these new questions as a new request. We have answered your
original enquiry; however you have now introduced new questions within the
same `thread'. Lancashire County Council has 20 working days to respond
to these new questions, yet that will not be reflected on the
`whatdotheyknow' website, which will show that your original enquiry of
16^th November remains unresolved. Separating new questions into new
requests will, hopefully, minimise the risk of any future confusion.
Please note that the deadline for responding to your new enquiries is
30^th December 2008. Your new request has been given our reference number
669/2008, and we would be grateful if you could quote this in future
correspondence to avoid confusion.
Yours sincerely,
Freedom of Information Team
Lancashire County Council
PO Box 78
County Hall
Preston
PR1 8XJ
Tel. 01772 531116
Fax. 01772 530949
Email: [1][Lancashire County Council request email]
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
1 December 2008
Dear Freedom of Information,
I am responding to your contentions regarding my FOI request as
they do not seem to add up, the core question has been divided into
separate parts by your references to other agencies with
responsibilities for passing the Counties land deeds to third
parties on different dates.
The point is that the land the deeds refer to needed to be owned by
a legal owner at the time it was sold by the party in who's
possession it was to give them good title for the sale, from my
investigations it appears that land belonging to the County was
sold on by third parties without the correct title deeds and has
resulted in forged title deed being put on the public record.
Yours sincerely,
fred robinson
From: Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
1 December 2008
Dear Mr Robinson,
We note your comments. However, we reiterate that we consider your
request of 16th November, in which you asked "Will you confirm or deny the
County transferred all the land it owned in Seaforth to Sefton Council by
deed in 1974 and has not owned any land in Seaforth since" to be
completed.
Your subsequent questions of 29^th November have been logged as a new
request (our ref. 669/2008), with the deadline for responding being 30^th
December 2008.
Yours sincerely,
Freedom of Information Team
Lancashire County Council
PO Box 78
County Hall
Preston
PR1 8XJ
Tel. 01772 531116
Fax. 01772 530949
Email: [1][Lancashire County Council request email]
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
1 December 2008
Dear Freedom of Information,
For the avoidance of doubt, will you tell me precisely what you
perceive my new request to be in plain English.
Yours sincerely,
fred robinson
From: Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
1 December 2008
For the avoidance of doubt, the new questions that you have introduced are
numbered below.
1. "With regard to the "educational and social services land", is this the
land at Kepler Street Seaforth used to build the Star of the Sea, Infant
and, Junior Schools on after the Star of the Sea School in Seaforth Vale
was closed and the pupils transferred to the above new Schools."
2. "Do you still hold records of the title numbers of the land you refer
to above so that I may identify it via the Land Registry."
Freedom of Information Team
Lancashire County Council
PO Box 78
County Hall
Preston
PR1 8XJ
Tel. 01772 531116
Fax. 01772 530949
Email: [Lancashire County Council request email]
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
1 December 2008
Dear Freedom of Information,
Information from the Land Registry indicates that part of this land
was owned by the church and not the County or the Borough Council
(Crosby).
Yours sincerely,
fred robinson
From: Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
1 December 2008
Dear Mr Robinson,
I am not entirely sure what your last message is referring to, or what
relevance it has to your two latest questions.
Freedom of Information Team
Lancashire County Council
PO Box 78
County Hall
Preston
PR1 8XJ
Tel. 01772 531116
Fax. 01772 530949
Email: [Lancashire County Council request email]
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
1 December 2008
Dear Freedom of Information,
Its what the Land Registries lawyer tells me.
Yours sincerely,
fred robinson
From: Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
8 December 2008
Dear Mr Robinson,
Further to your email, dated 29th November, in which you request the
disclosure of information under the provisions of the above Act, we are
now in a position to respond, and answer each of your questions in turn,
below.
1. With regard to the "educational and social services land", is this the
land at Kepler Street Seaforth used to build the Star of the Sea, Infant
and, Junior Schools on after the Star of the Sea School in Seaforth Vale
was closed and the pupils transferred to the above new Schools?
Lancashire County Council holds no information relevant to this aspect of
your enquiry. As previously advised, we have been unable to locate any
information about a Lancashire County Council connection to the Star of
the Sea school.
2. Do you still hold records of the title numbers of the land you refer to
above so that I may identify it via the Land Registry?
Lancashire County Council holds no information relevant to this aspect of
your enquiry; we do not hold any Title Numbers relating to the land
referred to previously.
Should you wish to complain about the manner in which your enquiry has
been handled, please refer to the details in our response of 18^th
November.
Yours sincerely,
Freedom of Information Team
Lancashire County Council
PO Box 78
County Hall
Preston
PR1 8XJ
Tel. 01772 531116
Fax. 01772 530949
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
8 December 2008
Dear Freedom of Information,
Conflicting information.
Are you saying that the "Education and Social Services land" went
"directly To Sefton in 1974" as, the Land Registry tell me that
land was land under an agreement made on August 7 1967 between
Crosby Council and the Roman Catholic Church and, is the land that
the Star of the Sea Infant and Junior schools were subsequently
build on but, the Crosby Council archive indicates that land was
"earmarked" for the Counties Education Department to build schools
and playing fields on during the "county wide slum clearance
program" initiated by the County in the 1950's and executed in the
1960's.
Should your Education Department have any records of this matter,
i.e. when the infant department was build (it is on the 1969 OS)
and when the Junior department was build (its on the 1978 OS) and
who organised the construction work. The Infant school was
demolished as part of the development in the area in 1994. Will
your Education Department have any information on this.
Yours sincerely,
fred robinson
From: Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
8 December 2008
Mr Robinson,
We have now advised on two separate occasions (emails dated 25^th November
and 26^th November) that Education and Social Services land held by
Lancashire County Council was transferred directly to Sefton in 1974.
We have previously advised you that all deeds in respect of land in
Seaforth were transferred in 1974 and that the County Council has not
owned any land in Seaforth since.
We have also advised that we have been unable to locate any information
regarding the Star of the Sea School, Seaforth.
You will no doubt appreciate that many of the records held by Lancashire
County Council prior to local government reorganisation in 1974 will no
longer be held by Lancashire County Council, and will have been
transferred to the relevant newly-created authorities.
In light of this, I'm not sure what we can add to what you have already
been informed.
Yours sincerely,
Freedom of Information Team
Lancashire County Council
PO Box 78
County Hall
Preston
PR1 8XJ
Tel. 01772 531116
Fax. 01772 530949
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
9 December 2008
Dear Freedom of Information,
I know you have given me "an" answer, but it conflicts with "the"
information I have which is that:
After complaint by the Manager of the Star of the Sea Infant School
about a mound of earth on the site for the Star of the Sea Junior
School in September 1998 the land was:
"Being sold to the Lancashire County Council."
This was clearly after it had been the subject of the:
"Land comprising an agreement between Crosby Council and the
Archdiocese of Liverpool on August 7th 1967".
This land was initially part of the "Lancashire County Development
Plan 1951" that was revised in 1956.
At the May 1968 meeting of the Lancashire County Council Education
Committee, they approved the first phase of the Star of the Sea
Junior Department under the "Special Building Program."
There is also mention of land, which appears to be part of the
Lancashire 'school land' sold by Sefton Council in 1993 being the
subject of a "statutory declaration."
Yours sincerely,
fred robinson
From: Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
9 December 2008
Dear Mr Robinson,
That may very well be the case. However, we are unable to comment,
because, as previously advised, Lancashire County Council does not hold
any information about this. The County Council MAY have held such
information in the past, but as you have been previously advised, any
records pertinent to areas arising from local government reorganisation in
1974 will have been transferred to those new authorities.
We will therefore reiterate that Lancashire County Council holds no
information relevant to your request.
Yours sincerely,
Freedom of Information Team
Lancashire County Council
PO Box 78
County Hall
Preston
PR1 8XJ
Tel. 01772 531116
Fax. 01772 530949
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
9 December 2008
Dear Freedom of Information,
When you say the County holds no "information" regarding the
"deeds" it transferred to Sefton, the "information" is not
necessarily confined to "deeds" held or not held only in the deed
room archive, as surely, like Crosby Council, the County has
"information" regarding the activities of its various committees in
its archive which, like Crosby Council's, record the details of the
building projects and purchase of land it was involved in with, and
independent of, the County during the 1950's and 1960's which will
not have been transferred to Sefton therefore, you seem to be
limiting your response to the contents of the deed room and not to
the contents of the County's records in general. is this the case.
Yours sincerely,
fred robinson
From: Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
11 December 2008
Dear Mr Robinson,
For the sake of clarity:
You originally asked Lancashire County Council to confirm that it
"transferred all the land it owned in Seaforth to Sefton Council by deed
in 1974 and has not owned any land in Seaforth since."
We subsequently informed you that such deeds were transferred in 1974,
either directly to Sefton, or to Merseyside County Council. We also
confirmed that Lancashire County Council has not owned any land in
Seaforth since.
As you were asking about the transfer of deeds, we logically consulted
with the Deeds Manager. With regard to ownership of land in Seaforth
since, we contacted the County Council's Property Group, who checked their
records.
You subsequently asked the following additional questions (on the 29^th
November):
1. whether "the `educational and social services land' was the land
at Kepler Street Seaforth used to build the Star of the Sea, Infant and,
Junior Schools on"; and
2. "Do you still hold records of the title numbers of the land you
refer to above so that I may identify it via the Land Registry."
In previous requests that you submitted to us over the last year regarding
access to information relating to the Star of the Sea School, we advised
you that we held no information relevant to your enquiries, and that you
should contact Sefton Borough Council. Dealing with those requests
involved the Deeds Manager and the County Archivist, and we also made
enquiries with the Lancashire Records Office. One document relating to
the Star of the Sea School was found; on retrieval, this was discovered to
be a single-sided page of A4 paper, and was a questionnaire on which all
schools were asked to list the number of items (books etc.) in their
possession. This document was obviously of no relevance to your
enquiry. No other information was found.
Regarding the title numbers of land transferred, the Deeds Manager
confirmed that title numbers of transferred deeds were not retained.
Whilst it is possible that there may be a passing reference to the Star of
the Sea School in archived minute books, etc., locating any such
information would require a manual search of a large number of records
that would undoubtedly require a commitment of resources in excess of the
appropriate limit of £450. When a search would exceed such a limit,
Section 12 of the Freedom of Information Act states that public
authorities are not obliged to comply with the duty at Section 1(1)(a) of
the Freedom of Information Act (the duty to confirm or deny that requested
information is held).
Should you wish to visit the Lancashire Record Office, please see their
website for more information about visiting hours:
[1]http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/education/r...
We now consider your request of 29^th November closed; our attempts to
locate any information relevant to your requests have been more than
reasonable. If you wish to complain about the handling of your request,
please refer to the procedural details previously supplied. As advised,
if you have not already done so, we suggest you contact Sefton Borough
Council to assist with your enquiries.
Any further questions will be considered new requests for information with
a new 20 working day deadline.
Yours sincerely,
Freedom of Information Team
Lancashire County Council
PO Box 78
County Hall
Preston
PR1 8XJ
Tel. 01772 531116
Fax. 01772 530949
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
12 December 2008
Dear Freedom of Information,
Given what you say is true, it seems you can neither confirm or
deny that what you have told me is true or false without checking
your archive and, it may be that the County do still own land in
Seaforth.
Yours sincerely,
fred robinson
From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
3 January 2009
Dear Freedom of Information,
WILL YOU PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS FOI REQUEST AS IT IS NOW OVERDUE
Yours sincerely,
fred robinson
From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
3 January 2009
Dear Freedom of Information,
I TRUST THAT YOU ARE INVITING ME TO COME TO PRESTON AND CONDUCT MY
OWN SEARCH OF YOUR ARCHIVE WHEN YOU SAY:
"Whilst it is possible that there may be a passing reference to the
Star of the Sea School in archived minute books, etc., locating any
such information would require a manual search of a large number of
records that would undoubtedly require a commitment of resources in
excess of the appropriate limit of £450. When a search would exceed
such a limit, Section 12 of the Freedom of Information Act states
that public authorities are not obliged to comply with the duty at
Section 1(1)(a) of the Freedom of Information Act (the duty to
confirm or deny that requested information is held).
Should you wish to visit the Lancashire Record Office, please see
their website for more information about visiting hours:
AND THAT YOU ARE CONFIRMING THAT I CAN RELY ON THE ASSISTANCE OF
YOUR DEEDS MANAGER IN THIS SEARCH ?
I ALSO TRUST THAT YOU ARE CONFIRMING THAT THERE ARE NO OTHER MEANS
THAN THE ABOVE AVAILABLE, SUCH AS HELD BY ANOTHER DEPARTMENT OR ON
ANY DATA BASE THAT THE COUNCIL HAS, TO ANSWER MY FOI REQUEST ?
I TRUST THAT THE COUNCIL ALSO HAS RECORDS OF THE MINUTES OF ITS
DEPARTMENTS MEETINGS ON ITS PUBLIC RECORD THAT I CAN PERUSE ?
Yours sincerely,
fred robinson
From: Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
8 January 2009
Dear Mr Robinson,
With regard to your first email of 3^rd January, in which you state that a
response is now "overdue", we respectfully draw your attention to our
email of 26^th November, in which we responded to your original request
(your request dated 16^th November), and our email of 8^th December, in
which we responded to your subsequent questions (your subsequent questions
were received by Lancashire County Council on 29^th November).
It can therefore be seen that we took 8 working days to respond to your
initial request, and 6 working days to respond to your subsequent
questions. Responses to your requests for information are thus not
overdue.
With regard to your most recent email of 3^rd January, any visitor to the
Records Office can utilise the assistance of Records Office staff; please
note, however, that this does not include the Deeds Manager as the Deeds
Manager does not work in the Records Office.
The Records Office contains a vast amount of documentation, some of which
will probably include historical minutes of departmental meetings. You
can search the contents of the Lancashire Record Office online at the
following URL:
[1]http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/a...
Be sure to select `Lancashire Record Office' from the drop-down menu in
the `repository' box.
This request is now closed.
Freedom of Information Team
Lancashire County Council
PO Box 78
County Hall
Preston
PR1 8XJ
Tel. 01772 531116
Fax. 01772 530949
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
9 January 2009
Dear Freedom of Information,
THE QUESTION:
16 November 2008
Dear Sir or Madam,
Will you confirm or deny the County transferred all the land it
owned in Seaforth to Sefton Council by deed in 1974 and has not
owned any land in Seaforth since.
Yours faithfully,
fred robinson
WAS NOT POSED ON JANUARY 3RD 2009 IN MY" FIRST E-MAIL:
With regard to your first email of 3rd January, in which you state
that a response is now "overdue", we respectfully draw your
attention to our email of 26th November, in which we responded to
your original request (your request dated 16th November), and our
email of 8th December, in which we responded to your subsequent
questions (your subsequent questions were received by Lancashire
County Council on 29th November).
It can therefore be seen that we took 8 working days to respond to
your initial request, and 6 working days to respond to your
subsequent questions. Responses to your requests for information
are thus not overdue.
With regard to your most recent email of 3rd January, any visitor
to the Records Office can utilise the assistance of Records Office
staff; please note, however, that this does not include the Deeds
Manager as the Deeds Manager does not work in the Records Office.
The Records Office contains a vast amount of documentation, some of
which will probably include historical minutes of departmental
meetings. You can search the contents of the Lancashire Record
Office online at the following URL:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/a...
YOURS SINCERELY
FRED ROBINSON
From: Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
9 January 2009
Dear Mr Robinson,
We shall not be entering into further correspondence on this matter,
unless it is requesting an internal review.
Freedom of Information
Lancashire County Council
PO Box 78
County Hall
Preston
PR1 8XJ
Tel: (01772) 531116
Fax: (01772) 530949
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
9 January 2009
Dear Freedom of Information,
I REQUEST AN INTERNAL REVIEW.
Yours sincerely,
fred robinson
From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
26 January 2009
Dear Freedom of Information,
I REFER YOU TO THE APHORISM:
“IF YOU WISH TO FIND THE CRIMINALS, DON’T FOLLOW THE CRIMINALS,
FOLLOW THE MONEY.”
FOR THE MONEY READ THE LAND
In 1962: Crosby Council, initiated a compulsory purchase order to
buy a plot of land to the south of Lime Grove consisting of Maple
Grove, Willow Grove, Bangor Street and Beaumaris Street which is
shown on OS SJ3396.
This land was subsequently filed under title LA45343 at the Land
Registry.
In December 1964: Land to the north of Lime Grove, bought under a
compulsory purchase order by Crosby Council, was registered under
title LA45086 at the Land Registry using OS SJ3396 dated 1955.
By 1968: Numerous streets to the north of 19 Lime Grove, including
21 Lime Grove, had been demolished, the land cleared, and
maisonettes built on it. This land became known as the Kepler
Street Estate.
One of the maisonette blocks, 21 to 39 Lime Grove, was built some 5
metres from the gable wall of 19 Lime Grove.
The level of the land adjacent to 19 Lime Grove was consequently
lowered by Crosby Council’s contractors to accommodate the building
of these maisonettes, and the support that this land had previously
given to 19 Lime Groves gable wall was removed and, in so doing,
exposed the shallow footing of part of 19 Lime Grove’s gable wall.
Crosby Council’s building contractors, Mathew and Mumby,
subsequently replaced the former support with two Party Boundary
Structures in the forms of what are known as, the ‘screen wall' and
the 'old footings' some 700mm square which were constructed
abutting the gable wall of 19 Lime Grove around 1968.
The first and most significant of these structures being the ‘old
footings.’ The term 'old footings' a misnomer as they 'footed'
nothing and were in fact a ‘buttress.’ They remain in place today
and, with the land they stand on, are, and have been since 1994,
the property of Maritime Housing Association.
The second was a wall built abutting the gable wall of 19 Lime
Grove around its centre, and extending to abut the gable wall of
the maisonette block, 21 to 39 Lime Grove near its front elevation.
The location of this wall is of some significance as it was
constructed at the point where the footings of the gable wall
descend into a cellar and thus obviate the need for support beyond
that point.
Clearly those structures belonged to Crosby Council.
This is borne out by the fact that the brick cladding of the gable
wall of the maisonettes was, the same brick as used to construct
the screen wall, and obviously, both structures stood on Crosby
Council’s land.
The structure the ‘screen wall’ was first shown on OS SJ3396 in
October 1969, and by October 1989, (according to a ruling in the
House of Lords) 19 Lime Grove had obtained a legal right to the
support it gave.
Beyond the rear of the screen wall where, the footings were exposed
by the excavation of the land, is where the old footings abutted
it, and from there commenced, it is abundantly clear that no other
purpose can be attributed to this constructions other than to give
support to the gable wall of 19 Lime Grove and, that purpose, in
the absence of any other, would be obvious to an engineer,
architect, surveyor or any competent builder.
This contention is borne out by the fact that the old footings
extend beyond the gable wall and continue to give support not only
to the gable wall but also to the boundary wall which, extends some
four metres from the gable wall.
The ‘old footings’ are still in situ but, have never been recorded
on an OS map. They could not be removed at any time after 1984
without causing structural damage to my property.
In 1973: A new version of OS SJ3396 was drawn which did not
included the Star of the Sea Junior School, built in 1974, but did
included the maisonettes 21 to 39 Lime Grove with the boundary
structure, the 'screen wall' still shown running at right angles
between the respective gable walls of 19, and 21 to 39 Lime Grove.
In 1978: A new version of OS SJ3396 was drawn which included the
Star of the Sea Junior School, the maisonettes 21 to 39 Lime Grove
with the boundary structure, the 'screen wall' still shown running
at right angles between the respective gable walls of 19, and 21 to
39 Lime Grove.
In March 1977: The land, known as the Kepler Street Estate, filed
at the Land Registry in 1964 under the title number LA45343 using
the 1969 OS SJ3396 map: had removed from it a parcel of land
re-registered under title MS351603 which included the maisonettes
21 to 39 Lime Grove with the boundary structure, the 'screen wall'
still shown running at right angles between the respective gable
walls of 19, and 21 to 39 Lime Grove.
In April 1977 The land filed at the Land Registry under title
number LA45343 using OS SJ3396 dated 1966: had removed from it two
parcels of land that were also re-registered under title MS351603.
The 1966 OS SJ3396 did not include the maisonettes 21 to 39 Lime
Grove with the boundary structure, the 'screen wall' shown running
at right angles between the respective gable walls of 19, and 21 to
39 Lime Grove, because in 1966 they had not been built.
In 1984/5 Sefton Council revamped the maisonettes including 21 to
39 Lime Grove and reduced the screen wall from some 5 metres long
to a 'nib wall' some 1.5 metres long and built a pier on its end.
Clearly Sefton Council also attached some significance to the
screen wall’s role of support to my gable wall, and just as
clearly, their actions prove that they owned it by virtue of them
reducing and strengthening it, something Maritime Housing
Association seemed unaware of, because when they wrote to me on
October 5th 1999 - in response to a photograph of the nib wall in
situ, taken by Sefton Council (their appointed agents) on March
14th 1994 during a survey which, in June 2000, Maritime did know
about and, which they also (then, if not before) knew was prior to
the demolition of the maisonette block 21 to 39 Lime Grove - they
stated:
“Sefton as our agent, are responsible for controlling building
operations on our behalf, but as I have already said, demolition
was still taking place up to September 1994, which had nothing to
do with Maritime…looking at the photograph you have sent me I
notice what appears to be either a newly built brick pier attached
to your wall, or an old pier that has been repointed…I would
question who constructed, or repointed, the brick pier. ”
In 1989: A new version of OS SJ3396 was drawn showing no screen
wall between 19 and 21 to 39 Lime Grove.
On August 13th 1993: Planning Permission for:
“Erection of single story and 2 storey dwellings after demolition
of the existing maisonettes.”
Was granted to Maritime Housing Association.
On September 25th 1992: The three titles, taken from Titles LA54086
and LA45343, and filed under MS351603, were Registered separately
to Sefton MBC at Bootle Town Hall, and Southport Town Hall.
On October 28th 1993: Sefton Council’s Housing Standing Sub
Committee resolved, that:
“Demolition of maisonette blocks at Kepler Street prior to
development by Maritime Housing Association. (1) That the
appropriate officer be authorised to implement the demolition works
by acceptance of the tender of GTB Demolition company…in the sum of
£95,693 subject to the land being acquired by Maritime Housing
Association by December 31st 1993. That subject to (1) above the
Borough Property Services Officer be authorised to issue a letter
of intent in advance of formal contract documentation.”
On December 16th 1992: Sefton Council’s Housing Standing Sub
Committee considered the report of the Borough Property Services
Officer recommending the transfer of land for two new build sites
to Maritime Housing Association.
On December 13th 1993: A new version of OS SJ3396 was drawn showing
no screen wall between 19 and 21 to 39 Lime Grove.
On December 24th 1993 Sefton Council and Maritime Housing
Association, after taxation, signed and sealed the transfer
documents for the sale of 3.5 acres of land under titles 1. (a)
LA45086 and (b) LA45343.
This land consisted of the three plots filed in March and April
1977 with the Land Registry under the title numbers LA45086 and
LA45343 re-referenced to Sefton on September 25th 1992 which, the
transfer document shows were to be given a new title number with
another two parcels of land, i.e.:
(c) the land comprised in an agreement dated 7 August 1967 made
between Liverpool Roman Catholic Archdiocese & Trustees
Incorporating (1) and the Mayor Aldermen and Burgesses of the
Borough of Crosby.
(d) the land comprised in a Statutory Declaration dated December
16th 1993 made by Michael Scott.
There were on December 24th 1993, to my knowledge, five distinct OS
SJ3396, maps of the Kepler Street estate available, they were:
The first dated October 1969 – showing the screen wall
The Second dated 1973 - showing the screen wall
The third dated 1978 – showing the screen wall
The fourth dated 1989 – showing no screen wall
The fifth dated December 13th 1993 – showing no screen wall
Bound with the transfer documents was a ‘cut and pasted’ version of
OS map SJ3396 comprising of: an ‘outer section’ being OS SJ3396
dated 1978 showing the Star of the Sea School and,
an ‘inner section’ depicting the land filed under titles MS351603,
united by a section of public highway named Maple Close.
The screen wall, despite being on both of the versions of OS SJ3396
used in the forgery, had been erased from this transfer map.
The altered OS map SJ3396 provided for sale of the land is a forged
instrument under s.8. (1) (a) and 9 (2) of the Forgery and
Counterfeiting Act 1981 as it does not depict the presence of the
party Boundary Structure 'the screen wall' and is clearly
calculated to deceive.
This document also breaches s. 183 (1) of the Law of Property Act
1925 as neither Sefton or Maritime showed "due diligence" in the
sale of the land in breach of s. 2 of the Property Misdescriptions
Act 1991.
At 2, of the transfer document it is stated:
“It is agreed between the Council and the Association that any
boundary structure now or hereafter constructed within 80 years of
the date herein between the property herby transferred and the
adjoining land of the Council are party boundary structures and are
maintainable and repairable as such.”
This land is identified at 3, of the transfer documents as land
referenced by Planning Permission as 93/03897/S. this reference was
given to me by Sefton Council’s Planning Department as land
provided for: “Erection of single story and 2 storey dwellings
after demolition of the existing maisonettes.”
This permission was the permission granted on August 13th 1993.
The above dwellings are all now in situ on the land registered to
Sefton Council under title MS351603 on September 25th 1992, taken
from title LA43086 1977.
These dwellings are also identified in a ‘memo’ from Sefton’s Mr
Barr, to Sefton’s Mr Williams: Referenced HSG 1188/2, and dated
November 12th 1999 in which Mr Barr states, with regard to 19 Lime
Grove – with a twist as to responsibility:
“This particular dwelling lies within an area which was redeveloped
by the Council in conjunction with Maritime Housing Association
during the period January 1994 to September 1995. The work
basically involved the demolition of 7 blocks of 4 storey
maisonettes and the construction of 49 new 2 storey traditionally
built houses as part of the City Challenge program relating to
relocation of residents of the former Rimrose Housing Estate.”
And further, with another twist:
On November 16th 1999, Fawley Construction, Maritime’s Building
contractor, wrote the following to me:
1. “Our site plan 417/01 was adapted from Sefton Council’s drawing
HSG 1187.1A which did not show a nib wall attached to your
property, therefore one was not included on our drawing submitted
for planning approval.”
2. Drawing HSG 1187, a used as part of the transfer map, and is
marked as a Sefton Planning Department drawing based on OS SJ3396
dated 1978, which has had the screen wall erased from it.
3. This clearly shows that Sefton and Fawley, if not Maritime, had
a drawing, and knowledge, at the planning stage of the development
in August 1993 that showed no nib wall abutting my gable wall. All
three had contractual obligations to each other.
On August 31st 1994 the land shown on the forged OS map used to
transfer the land at both Kepler Street, shown on title LA45086,
and Maple Grove, shown on LA45343 which was united by the public
highway, Maple Close, was registered by the Land Registry under
title MS351603 to Maritime Housing, at 2, of the office copy of the
Property Register dated February 3rd 2006, it states:
“2. (21.01.1994) A transfer of the land in this title dated 24
December 1993 made between (1) The metropolitan Borough of Sefton
and (2) Maritime Housing Association Limited contains the following
provision:-
2, It is agreed between the Council and the Association that any
boundary structure now or hereafter constructed within 80 years of
the date herein between the property herby transferred and the
adjoining land of the Council are party boundary structures and are
maintainable and repairable as such.”
The title map that accompanies this title is a forgery which again,
like the transfer map is composed of two versions of OS SJ3386 cut
and pasted together, this time, the outer section is that of OS
SJ3396 dated 1984 showing the Star of the Sea junior school, and
the inner section, that of OS SJ3396 dated 1969, clumsily overlaid
on it which has, amongst other things, removed the pavement between
Seaforth Road and 19 Lime Grove and the entire pavement from
Seaforth Road and the opposite side of Lime Grove through to Maple
Close from it.
This title map is marked: Crown copyright 1975.
The altered OS map SJ3396 draw by the Land Registry for
registration of the land is a forged instrument under s.8. (1) (a)
and 9 (2) of the Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981 as it does not
depicts the presence of the party Boundary Structure 'the screen
wall' and is clearly calculated to deceive.
This document also breaches s. 183 (1) of the Law of Property Act
1925 as the Registry did not show "due diligence" in the production
of this title map and also breach of s. 2 of the Property
Misdescriptions Act 1991.
Yours sincerely,
fred robinson
From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
24 February 2009
Dear Freedom of Information,
I REFER YOU TO CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN JULY 5TH 2006 AND JULY 12TH
2007.
ON JULY 5TH 2006 I WROTE AND FILED AT COURT A LETTER TO THE OFFICE
OF THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER ENTITLED “REPORT OF FALSIFIED LAND
RECORDS.” DETAILING WITH COPIES, HOW THE MAPPING OF THE LAND SOLD
TO MARITIME HOUSING ASSOCIATION AS KEPLER STREET SEAFORTH, HAD BEEN
CONVEYED AND REGISTERED USING FORGED MAPPING.
ON JULY 11TH 2006 THE COURT WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME:
“District Judge Fitzgerald has asked me to write to you and
acknowledge receipt of the document that you filed on 5th July
2006, i.e. Report of Falsified Land Records and a letter from the
Information Commission dated 25th November 2003.”
SHAYNE BROWN, FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL
GOVERNMENT ACKNOWLEDGED MY REPORT ON JULY 12TH 2006 STATING:
“Thank you for your letter regarding the Report of Falsified
Records…the Department for Communities and Local Government has
considered your letter but unfortunately it does not have
responsibility for the issue raised. However, we have forwarded
your letter today to the Department of Constitutional Affairs.”
I FILED THIS LETTER AT COURT
ON JULY 17TH 2006 I FILED AND SERVED ON MARITIME HOUSING
ASSOCIATION AND SEFTON COUNCIL A “CRIME REPORT” TO MERSEYSIDE
POLICE REGARDING THE FORGED MAPPING USED TO REGISTER THE LAND AT
KEPLER STREET SEAFORTH, AND COPIED IT TO THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER,
MR PRESCOTT FOR FORWARDING TO THE DEPARTMENT OF CONSTITUIONAL
AFFAIRS.
ON JULY 24TH 2006, MS FOX, THE LAND REGISTRIES ASSISTANT TO LAWYERS
FROM LONDON, WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME:
“Your complaint has been forwarded to the Land Registry by the
Office of the Deputy Prime Minister as the matter falls within its
remit.”
ON JULY 27TH I WROTE TO SHAYNE BROWN AT THE DEPARTMENT OF
COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT SENDING HIM MORE EVIDENCE.
ON AUGUST 4TH 2006, MRS WEAVER FROM THE LAND REGISTRIES COVENTRY
OFFICE WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME REGARDING MY “LETTER TO THE OFFICE
OF THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER” STATING:
“My understanding from your letter…is that there has been some
fraudulent alteration of one or more of the title plans and that
the Land Registry has conspired to make these alterations…some
background…may prove useful. The boundary that you are querying is
between your property, number 19, and what was formally number 21
Lime Grove. Number 21 was purchased by The Mayor Aldermen and
Burgesses of the Borough of Crosby on 2 September 1960…the
application for registration of the Council was lodged on 10 August
1964…it was included in title LA45086. It was included in that
title from that time until it was sold again…to Maritime Housing
Association on 24th December 1993. At that time it was removed from
title LA45086 and registered under title MS351603.”
THIS STATEMENT NEGATES THE TWO FILED PLANS OF TWO TITLES FILED AS
MS351603 THAT HAD BEEN TAKEN FROM TITLES LA45086 AND LA45343 IN
MARCH AND APRIL 1977.
ON AUGUST 17TH 2006 I FILED AT COURT THE FORGED MAPPING OF THE LAND
SOLD AT KEPLER STREET AND COPIED TO:
SEFTON MBC
MARITIME HOUSING ASSOCIATION
THE LAND REGISTRY BIRKENHEAD
THE OFFICE OF THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER
WILLIAM ELSBY, SOLICITOR FOR FAWLEY CONSTRUCTION
AND ASKED JUDGE FITZGERALD THE FOLLOWING QUESTION:
“The party boundary structure ‘the nib wall’ was, was according to
you demolished between March and September 1994, from the above,
how do you determine this.”
ON AUGUST 16TH 2006, MR WILLIAMS, SEFTON COUNCILS TECHNICAL
SERVICES DIRECTOR, WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME:
“I can confirm that the Council will not have provided any
information which contributed to the production of the Ordnance
Survey plan referred to, nor any other Ordnance Survey plan.”
ON AUGUST 17TH 2006, MR JOHN POWELL, FROM THE DEPARTMENT FOR
COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMNET WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME:
“Thank you for your letter of 21 July with enclosures copied to
this Department about structural defects regarding your property. I
am sorry to read about the problems you are currently experiencing
and appreciate this must be a difficult situation for you.
Unfortunately, this Department cannot get involved in individual
cases or questions of possible court decisions. I would suggest
that you continue to seek legal advice.”
ON AUGUST 17TH 2006, MS ELWOOD, SEFTON COUNCILS LEGAL DIRECTOR,
WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME:
“The Council is unable to confirm any detail in relation to the
party boundary structure “the nib” as requested…Mr George Barr, the
property manager referred to in Maritime Housing Association
Limited’s letter of March 4th 1999, is now deceased and therefore I
am unable to take this matter any further.”
ON AUGUST 21st 2006, MR JOHN POWELL, FROM THE DEPARTMENT FOR
COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMNET WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME:
“Thank you for your letter, received on 15 August, about
difficulties encountered with the boundary wall of your property.
This has been passed to this Department because of our
responsibility for housing…this Department has no power to
intervene in private property disputes of this nature…planning
functions, such as formulating development plan policies,
determining planning applications and enforcing planning control
are best carried out by the democratically elected district and, in
certain cases, county councils…if you are unhappy with the conduct
of the local authority, you may wish to complain via their own
complaints procedure. If you are not satisfied…you might wish to
take your case to the Local government Ombudsman can investigate
whether there has been maladministration.”
ON AUGUST 21ST 2006. MR IAN FLOWERS OF THE LAND REGISTRIES LONDON
OFFICE WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME:
“The Department of Constitutional Affairs (DCA) has referred your
copy letter of 17 July to this office. However, I regret that the
issues you have raised do not fall within the jurisdiction of the
Land Registry. I will send a copy of this letter to the DCA for
their reference.”
ON AUGUST 30th 2006, MR JOHN POWELL, FROM THE DEPARTMENT FOR
COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENET WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME:
“Thank you for your further letter of 25 August with enclosures
about maps affecting your property…this Department cannot get
involved with private property disputes. I would suggest that you
seek legal advice in order to resolve this matter.”
ON AUGUST 31ST 2006, MS ELWOOD, SEFTON COUNCILS LEGAL DIRECTOR,
SENT ME A TERRIER MAP, REFERENCE LA076317 2005, PREPARED BY THE
COUNCILS ON SEPTEMBER 4TH 2006 AND WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME
REGARDING LAND, DONATED TO ME IN APRIL 1994 BY MARITIME HOUSING
ASSOCIATION, (BUT SUBSEQUENTLY FENCED OFF ALONG MY GABLE WALL AFTER
THE PLANNING APPLICATION STAGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT – ON THE WRITTEN
INSTRUCTION OF THE COUNCIL) WHICH IS NOT SHOWN ON THE TERRIER MAP:
“I thank you for your letter 31st August 2006 in which you sought
information regarding a 1 metre strip of land. I am enclosing a
plan from which you can clearly be seen the area in which you are
interested.”
ON SEPTEMBER 4TH 2006 MR WILLIAMS, SEFTONS TECHNICAL SERVICES
DIRECTOR WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME:
“I refer to your letter of 21st August 2006 and would advise that I
will not enter into any further correspondence in the matters
raised in this letter.”
ON SEPTEMBER 8TH 2006 I WROTE, AND FILED AND SERVED A FREEDOM OF
INFORMATION REQUEST TO MS ELWOOD FOR INFORMATION REGARDING THE
COUNCIL’S POWERS TO CHANGE THE BOUNDARIES OF MARITIMES LAND IN
1994, AND COPIED IT TO:
FAWLEY CONSTRUCTION
MARITIME HOIUSING ASSOCIATION
THE LAND REGISTRY BIRKENHEAD
ON SEPTEMBER 18TH 2006 I WROTE THE FOLLOWING IN A FOURTEEN PAGE
VERY DETAILED LETTER TO MR POWEL FROM THE DEPARTMENT FOR
COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMNET STATING, INTER ALIA, THE FOLLOWING
FACT REGARDING THE TITLES OF THE LAND:
False Land Records
“With regard to your letter dated September 12th 2006 and the
transcripts of telephone conversations with The Land Registry in
Birkenhead (The Registry) which I presume you have received by
recorded delivery.
As of today I do not know who owned the land registered at Kepler
Street and Maple Grove Seaforth (the land MS351603) between
December 24th 1993 and August 31st 1994, nor evidently do Sefton
MBC (Sefton) or Maritime Housing Association (Maritime). I present
the following conflicting fact which I have been given and compare
them with the actual facts of the matter. I give letter references
in square brackets, and where appropriate print in bold what I
consider to be pertinent points. While the purpose of this letter
is to highlight the matter of land ownership, it cannot be done
without reference to the demolition of the party boundary structure
or the supposed insurance claims made by myself. I will keep these
to a minimum. What follows is only a small percentage of the events
begun in 1977 or earlier.
The Information
Maritime are averred to have become the "owners" of 'the land
MS351603' on December 24th 1994 by Maritime, Sefton and The
Registry, Fawley Construction. On October 19th 2005 District Judge
Bellamy made the following statement regarding the 'land MS352603'.
"On 6th September 2000 Mr Robinson, by virtue of a Land Registry
search ascertained the Maritime Housing Association were the
registered proprietors of the above land from January 1994."
The ownership by Maritime is stated by The Registry to have been
triggered by the transfer document dated December 24th 1994 but,
the title number MS351603 is not recorded on that document,
instead, a title number is said to be awaiting designation. The
title numbers of LA45343 and LA45086 are used to identify 'the
land' that is sold to Maritime by Sefton…
The Titles
Title LA45086 was filed in March 1977 using OS SJ3396 dated 1969.
Title LA45343 was filed in April 1977 using section B of OS SJ3396
dated 1966. Section A of this map would show the land as it was
prior to the demolition of the area of land comprising; Peach
Grove, Birch Street, Alder Street, Vine Grove, Vine Street, Plum
Street, Date Street and Kepler Street circa 1966.
On January 21st 1994, by virtue of the transfer documents The
Registry aver that Maritime, the owners of the land from December
24th 1993, became the "registered proprietors" of the land 'greened
out', i.e. outlined in green and, stated by The Registry to have
been carried out on January 21st 1994 from the filed title plans of
titles LA45343 and LA45086.
Title LA45086
On February 3 2006 I obtained the Property Register from The
Registry. At 1 of this document it is recorded that 'the land'
inter alia is:
"The freehold land shown edged in red on the plan of the above
title...being...Lime Grove 1 to 27 (odd numbers) "
Numbers 1 to 27 Lime Grove are shown on OS SJ3396 dated 1966 and
comprise of the terrace 1 to 19 Lime Grove, a large detached house
numbered 21 Lime Grove and a further three house terrace numbered
23 to 27 Lime Grove.
The proprietary register records that on September 9th 1992.
"The land edged in green on the filed plan has been removed from
this title and registered under the title number or numbers shown
in green on the said plan."
This 'greening out by The Registry is recorded on Section B of OS
SJ3396 dated March 1975 and the new title number is recorded as
MS351603 [edged in red on the title plan] which pre dates the filed
plan of March 1977 and clearly uses a different version of OS
SJ3396 than the 1966 version. The registered proprietors are
recorded as Sefton MBC at The Town Hall, Orial Road Bootle on May
12th 1976.
Fact
By September 25th 1992 two separate parcels of land were registered
as owned by Sefton under the same 'unique' title number MS351603 -
from different versions of OS SJ3396 - at two separate Council
locations. These being those 'greened out' of OS SJ3396 dated 1966,
and OS SJ3396 dated 1967, and both filed and recorded under the
same title number on May 12th 1976.
Registration of MS351603
On February 4th 2003, The Registry sent me a filed plan of MS351603
dated August 31st 1994. This plan comprises of; the amalgamated
title plans of LA45343 dated May 12 1976 and; the amalgamated title
plans of LA45086 dated May 12 1976 as recorded above.
It appears that Maritime may not have filed the August 31st 1994
registration - another fact withheld from me by The Registry - and
did in fact have the completed site registered to them in 'mid
1995'. The Registry refuse to disclose any detail about this
registration.
I look forward to a constructive response from you, or better,
someone with more authority, i.e. The Deputy Prime Minister.
ON SEPTEMBER 25TH 2006 THE ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT OMBUDSMAN
ROSEMARY AGNEW WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME UNDER REFERENCE
06/C/07976/RA/DH:
“The Local Government Ombudsman has asked me to consider your
complaint against Sefton Council and write to you…after checking
with the Council it appears that your complaint has not yet been
dealt with through the Council’s complaint procedure. So: I will
send a copy of your complaint to the Council and ask the Chief
Executive to put it through the Council’s own complaint procedure,
to keep you informed of the progress, and to let you know the
outcome.”
ON OCTOBER 3RD 2006, LYNN ROWLAND FROM THE REGISTRY IN BIRKENHEAD
WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME IN A LETTER HEADED “21 LIME GROVE,
SEAFORTH:
“In order for us to deal with your query, could you please provide
us with the reference on the letter sent to you by the Coventry
Land Registry. This will enable us to call up any previous
correspondence.”
ON OCTOBER 12TH 2006 MR GIBSON, SEFTON’S PRINCIPLE LEGAL ASSISTANT
WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME IN A LETTER HEADED “REFUSAL NOTICE
(VEXATIOUS REPEATED REQUESTS).”: [CAPITALISATION ADDED)
“Further to your numerous letters regarding YOUR NIB WALL and the
title to your property AND ADJOINING PROPERTY. I write to inform
you that your request for information will not be processed. I have
decided that your request is vexatious and repeated requests have
been responded to over the years…the reason I have concluded your
request is vexatious and that repeated requests have been received
and responded to is that the council has spent hundreds of man
hours dealing with your requests REGARDING YOUR PROPERTY 17 LIME
GROVE, and the INSURANCE CLAIM WHICH YOU ALLEGE WAS NOT MADE.”
ON OCTOBER 17TH 2006, SALLY WALKER, PERSONAL ASSISTANT, FROM THE
LOCAL GOVERNMENT OMBUDSMANS OFFICE WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME UNDER
REFERENCE O6/100048/SPC/sw:
“Please note you complaint has been allocated the above new
reference number…we have at the moment more complaints than we can
give our investigators but will allocate your complaint as soon as
we can…we will contact you again when your complaint has been
allocated…please note we may copy to the council any papers you
have sent us about your complaint. This is to inform the Council
that your complaint has been brought to our attention
ON OCTOBER 18TH 2006, CATHY HOWKINS, CASEWORKER AND ADVICE OFFICER
FROM THE INFORMATION COMMISSION WROTE THE FOLOWING TO ME, REGARDING
MY LETTER TO SEFTON COUNCIL DATED JULY 5TH 2006, USING THE RFERENCE
END0124895 STATING: (CAPITALISATION ADDED):
“Your letter refers to a request for assessment (REFERENCE:
03-36599/06/AD) THAT YOU SUBMITTED TO THIS OFFICE A NUMBER OF YEARS
AGO WHICH FOCUSED ON THE PROCESSING OF PERSONAL DATA BY SEFTON MBC.
WE WERE UNABLE TO TAKE ACTION IN RESPECT OF YOUR REQUEST FOR
ASSESSMENT AS WE CONCLUDED THAT THE INFORMATION IN QUESTION DID NOT
FALL UNDER THE SCOPE OF THE DATA PROTECTION ACT 1998. WE REACHED
THIS DECISION BECAUSE WE WERE OF THE OPINION THAT THE INFORMATION
THAT THE COUNCIL DID NOT PROVIDE TO YOU DID NOT FORM PART OF A
RELEVANT FILING SYSTEM. YOU HAVE ASKED US TO PROVIDED FURTHER
INFORMATION ABOUT THE INFORMATION THAT IS NOT HELD UNDER A RELEVANT
FILING SYSTEM. I can only repeat the Information that MR DAMMS, the
caseworker who completed the assessment, provided to you. During
the course of our investigations, SEFTON MBC CONFIRMED THAT THE
‘MISSING DOCUMENTATION (THE INFORMATION THAT WAS NOT PROVIDED TO
YOU IN RESPONSE TO YOUR DATA SUBJECT ACCCESS REQUEST) WAS NOT HELD
IN A RELEVANT FILING SYSTEM…we can only confirm that it is OUR
UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ‘MISSING’ DOCUMENTS WERE NOT HELD IN A
RELEVANT FILING SYSTEM.”
ON OCTOBER 23RD 2006 MERSEYSIDE POLICE WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME
HEADED “COMPLAINT AGAINST THE POLICE.:
“It is my role on behalf of the Chief Superintendent…to conduct
investigations into such matters…I would be grateful if you would
contact me…in order to arrange a suitable appointment to discuss
the matter in detail,”
ON OCTOBER 24TH 2006 I FILED AND SERVED A LETTER I HAD WRITTEN TO
MERSEYSIDE POLICE ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION OF WHICH “COMPLAINT
AGAINST THE POLICE” THEY REFERRED TO.
ON OCTOBER 25TH 2006, PATRICK BROUGH, THE LAND REGISTRAR AT
BIRKENHEAD WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME IN A LETTER HEADED “21 LIME
GROVE.” (CAPITALISATION ADDED):
“We have on file a full copy of the comprehensive letter written to
you on 4 August by Mrs D M Weaver, the Land Registry at our
Coventry office. As Mrs Weaver made clear in the final paragraph of
that letter, it contained Land Registries definitive response on
the issues you had raised in respect of titles LA45086, LA45343 and
MS351603. I do not therefore propose to enter into any further
correspondence regarding the matter. It would NOT in any event be
appropriate for the Land Registry to comment on QUESTIONS THAT YOU
HAVE ASKED IN CORRESPONDENCE WITH SEFTON BOROUGH COUNCIL AND WHICH,
THEY HAVE, FOR REASONS STATED IN THEIR RECENT LETTER TO YOU,
REFUSED TO ANSWER.”
ON NOVEMBER 2ND 2006, CATHY HOWKINS FROM THE INFORMATION COMMISSION
WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME UNDER EFERENCE ENO124895.”:
“I refer to your letter of 30 October…the Information Commission’s
Office conducted an assessment in respect of Sefton Council
following a complaint that you submitted to us in 2003. However, in
the course of our investigations we were not supplied with any of
your personal data. We based our of our assessment on the
correspondence that both you and Sefton provided to us in the
course of our investigation. However, Sefton Council never provided
us with any of the documents that you had requested from them…you
have enclosed a print out of your council tax account with your
letter. You have asked us to confirm whether this document will not
be personal data…because it is not part of a relevant filing
system…it appears that the council holds your council tax records
on computer. For the purpose of the DPA this information is likely
to be your personal data and as such you have a right of access to
this data…if the Council held a paper copy of this information at
the time of your request, and this document was not held in a
relevant filing system, you would not have been entitled to a copy
of this information under the DPA.”
ON NOVEMBER 10TH 2006 I RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING FROM MERSEYSIDE
POLICE under the reference TK/ih/6VDDW ACKNOWLEDGEING MY LETTER
DATED NOVEMBER 9TH 2006:
“I have forwarded your letter to Chief Superintendent XXXX, Area
Commander for Sefton…Constable xxxx will reply to you directly.”
ON NOVEMBER 9TH 2006, CATHY HOWKINS FROM THE INFORMATION COMMISSION
WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME UNDER REFERENCE ENO124895.” IN ANSWER TO
MY LETTTER OF NOVEMBER 6TH 2006 COPIED TO (CAPITALIATION ADDED):
LIVERPOOL COUNTY COURT
SEFTON COUNCILS LEGAL DEPARTMENT
CHIEF CONSTABLE MERSEYSIDE POLICE
BOOTLE MAGISTRATES COURT
“ The advice that we provided to Sefton Metropolitan Borough
Council following the assessment we conducted IN 2004 regarding the
COMPLAINT that you submitted to our office about Sefton Council.
The outcome of OUR ASSESSMENT was explained to you when we
concluded our investigation…I can confirm that the Freedom of
Information Act does not provided an individual with the right to
have INACCURATE DATA amended…I can confirm that we have now closed
this case and that the large volume of correspondence that you have
enclosed with your last letter will be HELD ON FILE for information
only…we will be in touch with you shortly regarding the subject
access request that you made to this office on 21 October 2006.”
ON NOVEMBER 16th 2006, FAYE SPENCER, SENIOR CASEWORK AND ADVICE
MANAGER FROM THE INFORMATION COMMISSION WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME
UNDER EFERENCE FOII/486SAR/310.” (CAPITALISATION ADDED):
“You first of all asked us for copies of all the correspondence
and, if any, faxes emails and telephone conversations regarding
[your] REQUESTS to the Commission…given that your letter of 21
October 2006 was only concerned with…case reference 03/36599/06…we
have supplied you with the communications WE EXCHANGED WITH SEFTON
COUNCIL in relation to 03/36599/06.”
03/36599/06 WAS A “REQUEST” REGARDING THE INFORMATION WITHHELD BY
SEFTON COUNCIL DATED BETWEEN JANUARY 1ST AND DECEMBER 31ST 1994
WHICH, HAD NO CONNECTION WITH ANY OTHER DATA OF FORGED MAPPING.
ON NOVEMBER 24TH 2006 I RECEIVED TWO ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS FROM THE
LOCAL GOVERNMENT OMBUDSMAN DATED NOVEMBER 22ND 2006, THE FIRST
REFERENCED 06/C/10048.SPC3: THE SECOND REFERENCED 06/C/10048/RA.
ON NOVEMBER 22ND 2006, CATHY HOWKINS FROM THE INFORMATION
COMMISSION WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME UNDER EFERENCE ENO124895.”:
“It would appear that you are in dispute with the council over
whether you owe, or have ever owed, council tax payments…it is not
the role of the Information Commissioners Office to assess whether
or not an individual is liable for council tax payments and we have
neither the resources or expertise to do so…the amount of money
that you owe in council taxes has been considered by the
Magistrates Court and you have been issued with two liability
orders. The Information Commissioner’s Office would be unable to
overturn a decision that has been made by the courts…you have
indicated that you have made a subject access request to access
your computer records, but that you have ‘been unable to obtain
them’…you could consider a complaint if you felt the council had
not responded to your request in accordance with the Data
Protection Act 1998. However, you would need to provide us with a
copy of your request letter …and any other correspondence from the
council relating to your request…it would appear that the Local
Government Ombudsman is better placed to consider your complaint
about whether the council has correctly assessed your council tax
liability.”
ON NOVEMBER 24TH 2006 I SENT MS HOWKINS THE INFORMATION SHE HAD
REQUESTED AND COPIED IT TO:
LIVERPOOL COUNTY COURT FOA JUDGE FITZGERALD AND HH JUDGE STEWART
BOOTLE MAGISTRATES COURT
THE CHIEF CONSTABLE MERSEYSIDE POLICE
MR SPARROW AS THE ipcc
MS SEEKS LOCAL GOVERNMENT OMBUDSMAN
ON NOVEMBER 29TH 2006, CATHY HOWKINS FROM THE INFORMATION
COMMISSION WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME UNDER REFERENCE ENO124895.”:
“It would appear that you have pursued the matter through the
courts…before we can take any action in respect of your complaint
to this office we need you to provide us with details of the courts
response to your claim against the council…we would be grateful if
you could provide details of the outcome of your court case,
including copies of any correspondence that you have received from
the court in respect of this matter. Once we have received this
additional information from you we will consider how best to
progress your complaint.”
ON DECEMBER 4TH 2006 I WROTE AGAIN TO THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER
ENCLOSING 22 ITEMS OF EVIDENCE REGARDING THE FALSE LAND RECORDS AND
FORGED MAPPING AND COPIER TO:
LORD FALCONER
THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT OMBUDSMAN
And with part of the evidence to:
LIVERPOOL COUNTY COURT FAO HIS HONOUR JUDGE MACKAY
CHIEF CONSTABLE MERSEYSIDE POLICE
ipcc
THE LAW SOCIETY
LEGAL DIRECTOR SEFTON COUNCIL
MARITIME HOUSING ASSOCIATION
CEO HALIFAX BUILDING SOCIETY
THE HOUSING CORPORATION
ON DECEMBER 5TH 2006, TED POWELL, RESEARCH ASSISTANT TO THE DEPUTY
PRIME MINISTER WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME:
“Thank you for your letter to John Prescott MP to which I am
replying on his behalf…the matters you have raised are the
responsibility of the Department of Communities and Local
Government. I have therefore passed your correspondence to that
Department so that your concerns may be addressed in more detail.”
ON DECEMBER 8TH 2006 THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT OMBUDSMAN ACKNOWLEDGED MY
CORRESPONCE UNDER 06/C/10048/SPC3.
ON DECEMBER 14TH 2006 I WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO LORD FALCONER,
ENCLOSING SEVENTY FOUR PAGES OF EVIDENCE, AND COPIED TO:
THE LAW SOCIETY
SEFTON COUNCILS LEGAL DIRECTOR
MARITIME HOUSING ASSOCIATION
“The court and the Government appear not to be able to deal with
the deceit which over the years have escalated to the present
state, absorbing tens of thousands of pounds of public money, and
occurred seemingly centered on the unlawful sale of land by Sefton
Council to Maritime housing Association in 1993/4. It is quite
clear that some parties in this matter should be sent to prison
rather than the threat of prison, loss of my home and massive
unfounded costs and fallacious liability orders for Council Tax,
obtained by perjury, being used against myself in full view of the
authorities…the matter now needs to go to the Court of Human Rights
as a matter of great urgency and not be passed around like a bad
smell. Please note it is the duty of senior members of the
Government to keep the courts independent and not let them become
subverted from within, or from without.”
ON 13TH DECEMBER MERSEYSIDE POLICE WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME
REFERENCED Misc AND HEADED “COMPLAINT ABOUT THE POLICE”:
“I refer to the above matter in relation to your on-going issues
and various correspondences…I have reviewed the matter once again
and would refer you to the letter sent to you by D/I xxxv.”
THE ENCLOSED LETTER DATED DECEMBER 1ST 2005 HEADED “LETTERS OF
COMPLAINT” STATED:
“I have indicated on several occasions there are no criminal
offences committed by any party against you or your property in
relation to your claim for damages. This is a civil matter between
yourself and other parties. The allegation of perjury against
members of staff of Sefton Council was investigated and there were
no offences committed. As indicated by Superintendent xxxx in his
letter to you we are not prepared to communicate with you any
further. You should refer all of your future correspondence to
those parties you hold responsible for damage.”
ON DECEMBER 19TH 2006, NATALIE JADE HOLE, CUSTOMER LIASON UNIT, FOR
THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT WROTE THE
FOLLOWING TO ME:
“Thank you for your letter of 7 December addressed to the Rt Hon
Ruth Kelly MP regarding false land records. The Department of Local
Government does not have responsibility for the issue you have
raised. Your letter has therefore been sent to the Department for
Constitutional affairs.”
ON December 21st 2006, CATHY HOWKINS FROM THE INFORMATION
COMMISSION WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME UNDER EFERENCE ENO124895.”:
“Thank you for your letter of 5 December 2006 in response to my
request of 29 November 2006…you are seeking access to your council
tax records …we will only consider whether or not the council
responded to your subject access request of 15 November 2005 in
accordance with the provisions of the Data Protection Act 1998…I
have therefore written to the council to ask it to confirm whether
it has provided you with the information that you requested. If the
council has not provided you with this data, I have asked it to
confirm whether it will now do so, if the council does not intend
to provide you with the information that you have requested, I have
asked it to clarify the exemption within the Act upon which it is
relying to withhold this data.”
ON JANUARY 10TH 2007, MR DANNY O’ SULLIVAN, OF HMSC’S CUSTOMER
SERVICES UNIT, WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME UNDER REFERENCE CSU/20492:
“Thank you for your letter of 14 December 2006 addressed to the
Department for Constitutional Affairs. We will send you a reply by
30 January 2007…if we decide your letter is best answered by
another office, we will write and tell you where your letter has
been transferred.”
ON JANUARY 11TH 2007 I WROTE TO THE HOME SECRETARY, JOHN REID
REGARDING THE REFUSAL OF MERSEYSIDE POLICE TO ACCEPT EVIDENCE OF
FORGED TITLE MAPS BY THE LAND REGISTRY.
ON JANUARY 11TH 2007, BELINDA DAWKINS, OF THE LAND REGISTRIES
CUSTOMER SERVICE TEAM IN LONDON WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME UNDER
REFERENCE CSG 38 – 07 IN RESPONSE TO “COPY LETTERS AND DOCUMENTS”
SENT TO THE LAND REGISTRY:
“An inspection of our system indicates that 19 Lime Grove is not
registered therefore we would not have any documents relating to
the property on our files.”
ME ON JANUARY 15TH 2007 WITH REGARD TO FURTHER COPY CORRESPONDENCE
AND A ‘FEEDBACK FORM’ MERSEYSIDE POLICE WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO
UNDER REFERENCE YV000098:
“Your letter will be forwarded to the Area Commander at Sefton for
his attention. You should receive a response within 21 days.”
ON JANUARY 17TH 2007, JEREMY DONALDSON, HEAD OF THE LAND REGISTRY
AGENCY CASE REVIEW TEAM WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME, ON BEHALF OF
PETER COLLIS, CHIEF REGISTRAR, IN RESPONSE TO MY LETTER OF JANUARY
12TH TO MS DOWKIN IN A LETTER HEADED “TITLE NUMBER MS361603 LAND AT
KEPLER STREET AND MAPLE CLOSE, SEAFORTH” UNDER REFERENCE
ACRT/700/06/118/JRD”
“I refer you to the letter dated 4 August 2006 from Mrs Weaver…I
have nothing to add to what Mrs Weaver said.”
ON JANUARY 26TH 2007 KERRRY LOCK, OF THE HOME OFFICE DIRECT
COMMUNICATIONS UNIT WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME ON BEHALF OF JOHN
REID UNDER REFERENCE T1944/7:
“Thank you for your letter…regarding your wish to formally report a
crime to the police…the Chief Constable of Merseyside Police is
responsible for the day to day operational management of the force
and not the Home Secretary…Ministers do not have the authority to
intervene in operational matters. If you wish to make a
complaint…contact their Professional Standards
department…alternatively you can make your complaint through the
Merseyside Police Authority…or the …ipcc.”
ON JANUARY 29TH 2007, DINESH BHATT,FROM THE CUSTOMER SERVICES UNIT
OF HMCS WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME IN A LETTER REFERENCED CSU/20492:
“We are the third tier in Her Majesty’s Court Service…we
investigate complaints concerning the administration of HMCS. We
cannot investigate complaints concerning judicial fraud…I note that
you have already reported the matter of fraud to Merseyside
Police.”
ON FEBRUARY 1ST 2007, LEIGH TAPPIN, OF THE MINISTERIAL
CORRESPONDENCE UNIT OF THE DEPARTMENT FOR CONSTITUTIONAL AFFAIRS
WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME IN A LETTER HEADED “TRANSFER LETTER”
UNDER REFERENCE 83360:
“The issue raised is outside of the remit of this department.
Consequently, I have forwarded your letter to the HM Land Registry,
so that they can consider its contents.”
ON FEBRUARY1ST 2006, ANGELA ELLISON FROM THE INFORMATION COMMISSION
WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME UNDER REFERENCE ENDO124895.:
“We have now received a response from the council’s Data Protection
Officer. He states that the Revenue Manager has indicated that your
request was answered at the time…the Revenue Manager has also
stated that the council hold hard copies of the documents if
required and, in view of this…I shall ask for them to be copied to
you again.”
ON FEBRUARY 2ND 2007 I WROTE TO THE CHIEF CONSABLE OF MERSEYSIDE
POLICE REGARDING THE FORGED MAPPING USED IN THE SALE OF THE LAND AT
KEPLER STREET / MAPLE CLOSE, SEAFORTH AND COPIED TO:
JOHN REID, HOME SECRETARY
LORD FALCONER
MERSEYSIDE POLICE PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS
ipcc
LEGAL DEPARTMENT SEFTON COUNCIL
MARITIME HOUSING ASSOCIATION
THE LAW SOCIETY
ON FEBRUARY 6TH 2007 MERSEYSIDE POLICE WROTE TO ME IN A LETTER
REFERENCED SI/lh6VDDW THANKING ME FOR MY “COMPLAINT” OF FEBRUARY
2ND 2007 AND STATING:
“I have forwarded your letter to Chief Superintendent xxxx, Area
Commander for the Sefton area, as he is the officer who has been
dealing with your investigation.”
ON FEBRUARY 16TH 2006, ANGELA ELLISON FROM THE INFORMATION
COMMISSION WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME UNDER REFERENCE ENDO124895.”:
“There is no evidence that the Council have concealed records.”
ON FEBRUARY 16TH 2007, MRS S HACKNEY, SECRETARY, WROTE TO ME FROM
THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT OMBUDSMANS OFFICE UNDER THE REFERENCE
006/C/10048/CSO/SH STATING:
“Your complaint has now been allocated to Mr Oxley.”
ON FEBRUARY 16TH 2007, MR OXLEY A LOCAL GOVERNMENT OMBUDSMANS
INVESTIGATOR WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME UNDER THE REFERENCE
06/C/10048/CSO STATING. (CAPITALISATION ADDED):
“I RECALL that you submitted a complaint about the issue of YOUR
NIB WALL to the Ombudsman IN 1995…I have considered what you have
submitted with your current complaint and it is my view that this
concerns basically THE SAME ISSUE…I understand that the Police…are
no longer prepared to communicate further with you on this matter…I
can see no benefit in investigating your complaint [because] this
is a PRIVATE MATTER and not one of public administration.”
ON FEBRUARY 27TH 2007, SUSAN HOLLERAN WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME
FROM THE ROYAL COURT OF JUSTICE UNDER REFERENCE 0375/02/07
REGARDING A LETTER I HAD WRITTEN TO THE LORD CHIEF JUSTICE:
“The contents of your letter concerning Maritime Housing
Association have been noted…if you wish to take the matter further
you may like to consider seeking legal advice. I am afraid that
this office nor the Lord Chief Justice is in a position to offer
such advice.”
ON FEBRUARY 28TH 2007, ANGELA ELLISON FROM THE INFORMATION
COMMISSION WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME in answer to a letter to her
dated February 28th 2007 UNDER REFERENCE ENDO124895.”:
“There is nothing further that I can add to my previous comments.”
ON MARCH 12TH 2007, MR OXLEY A LOCAL GOVERNMENT OMBUDSMANS
INVESTIGATOR WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME UNDER THE REFERENCE
06/C/10048/CSO REGARDING MY ALLEGED COMPLAINT DATED 1995, AND THE
LIABILITY ORDERS OBTAINED BY SEFTON FOR NONE EXISTENT COUNCIL TAX
LIABILITIES, STATING. (CAPITALISATION ADDED):
“You have asked in your latest letter for RECORD OF YOUR COMPLAINT
which you say was not made at that time because the OWNERSHIP of
the nib wall was not at that time established…there are NO RECORDS
of the decision on your compliant…are RECORDS of the complaint
numbers your complaints…these are 95/C/04896…I DO RECALL the
complaint about the OWNERSHIP of the nib wall…I informed you that
YOU had made complaint on this subject AT THAT TIME…writing to you.
There was no decision on the OWNERSHIP of THE WALL as that was NOT
RELEVANT, what WAS relevant was that this was A PRIVATE MATTER
between you and the Council OR the housing association…I note that
you complained that the council officers COMMITTED PERJURY…and that
you complained about this CRIMINAL OFFENCE to Merseyside Police.
You also challenged the competency of the Magistrates Court and
APPEALED TO THE CROWN COURT which was unable to help you…I am
sending a copy of this letter and the letter of February 19th to
the Council’s Chief Executive.”
THERE WAS NO APPEAL TO THE CROWN COURT.
ON MARCH 13TH 2007, BELINDA DAWKINS, OF THE LAND REGISTRIES
CUSTOMER SERVICE TEAM IN LONDON WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME REGARDING
TITLE MS 351603 UNDER REFERENCE CSG 38 – 07 ON BEHALF OF PETER
COLLIS, HEAD REGISTRAR, IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER SENT TO THE LAND
REGISTRY ON MARCH 8TH 2007. (CAPITALISATION ADDED):
“ON THE FIRST POINT I can confirn that the Land Registry was
supplied with the August 1994 version of Ordnance Survey map OS
SJ3396NW which CORRESPONDED with title MS351603 – 21 Lime Grove…on
the second point…if you want a response…please contact the
appropriate land registry office which deals with your area.”
ON MARCH 12TH 2007, MS ANNE SEEEKS THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT OMBUDSMANS
WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME UNDER THE REFERENCE 06/C/10048/CSO
REGARDING A LETTER DATED MARCH 16TH 2007:
“I have asked Mr Corney, an Assistant Ombudsman to review the file
on your complaint on my behalf. Mr Corney does not manage Mr Oxley
and has not previously been involved with your complaint. He will
complete the review and write to you as quickly as possible. His
decision will be final.”
ON MARCH 22ND I WROTE A COMPLAINT TO MS SEEKS REGARDING MR OXLEY
HEADED “MALICIOUS MIS-STATEMENT – BREACH OF DUTY”, POINTING OUT TO
HER THERE WAS NO COMPLAINT BY ME TO THE OMBUDSMAN IN 1995
REFERENCED 95/C/03824.”
ON MARCH 22ND 2007, MR CORNEY, ASSISTANT OMBUDSMAN WROTE THE
FOLLOWING TO ME UNDER REFERENCE 06/C/10048/RJC/jm. (CAPITALISATION
ADDED):
“ I have read the PAPERS and see nothing to suggest that the
decision was wrong, the only point I would accept is that complaint
95/c/03824 WAS NOT MADE IN 1995, as it was IN FACT received in this
office on 10 January 1996…Mr Oxley is also quite correct…about the
LIABILITY ORDER for NONE payment of Council Tax…there is no way in
which the Ombudsman can overturn the decision of a Magistrates
Court, which has been REINFORCED IN TURN BY THE CROWN COURT. ”
ON MARCH 26TH 2007, LEIGH TAPPIN, OF THE MINISTERIAL CORRESPONDENCE
UNIT OF THE DEPARTMENT FOR CONSTITUTIONAL AFFAIRS WROTE THE
FOLLOWING TO ME IN A LETTER HEADED “TRANSFER LETTER” UNDER
REFERENCE 154306:
“Thank you for your letter dated 16/3/07 addressed to Lord
Falconer…the issue raised is outside the remit of this department.
Consequently, I have forwarded your letter to the DCLG.”
ON MARCH 27TH 2007, MR PATRICK BROUGH THE REGISTRAR AT BIRKENHEAD
WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME, WITH REGARD TO A LETTER AND DOCUMENTS
DATED MARCH 20TH 2007, UNDER THE REFERENCE CL145/03.
(CAPITALISATION ADDED):
“I have nothing to add to the COMPREHENSIVE INFORMATION which Mrs
Weaver gave you except to say…title MS351603 was FIRST registered
on 21 January 1994 and not on 25 September as YOU SUGGEST.”
ON MAY 4TH 2007, KELLY TOMLIN, OF HMSC’S CUSTOMER SERVICES UNIT,
WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME UNDER REFERENCE CSU/20492:
““Thank you for your letter of 14 April 2007 addressed to Lord
Falconer…if we decide your letter is best answered by another
office, we will write and tell you where your letter has been
transferred.”
On May 8TH 2007, ANNE SEEKS, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT OMBUDSMAN WROTE
THE FOLLOWING TO ME, REGARDING A LETTER DATED APRIL 23RD 2007,
UNDER REFERENCE 06/10048/AS/CRB and changing the date for the 1995,
1996 complaint C/04896 to 1999:
“Both Mr Oxley and Mr Corney have explained why your complaint will
not be investigated. Their decisions are correct…I have to tell you
that the file relating to complaint 99/C/04896 was destroyed some
time ago and I cannot therefore comply with your request.”
ON MAY 14TH 2007, SUSAN HOLLERAN FROM THE JUDICIAL OFFICE OF THE
ROYAL COURT OF JUSTICE WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME REGARDING EVIDENCE
I HAD SENT TO THE LORD CHIEF JUSTICE OVER THE “LAST MONTHS”
REFERENCED 0160/05/07. CAPITALISATION ADDED):
“The contents of those letters concerning damage to YOUR WALL have
been noted……if you wish to take the matter further you may like to
consider seeking legal advice. I am afraid that this office nor the
Lord Chief Justice is in a position to offer such advice.”
ON MAY 18TH 2007 PAULA MULLIN OF HMCS WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME IN
A LETTER HEADED ”CLAIM NUMBERS 5LV53314 & 6L50690 UNDER REFERENCE
CSU21318 AND, REGARDING “LETTERS OF 14 APRIL, ADDRESSED TO LORD
FALCONER. LORD GOLDSMITH & LORD PHILLIPS WHICH HAD BEEN PASSED TO
HMCS BECAUSE:
“This office is responsible for dealing with all correspondence in
relation to the administration within the courts in England and
Wales.”
ON MAY 31ST 2007, KAREN ROUSE, OF THE HOME OFFICE DIRECT
COMMUNICATIONS UNIT WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME REGARDING MY LETTER
OF MAY 31ST 2007:
“The matters raised in your letter are now the responsibility of
the Ministry of Justice. Your letter has therefore been transferred
to the new Ministry of Justice.”
ON MAY 31ST 2007, SARAH MASTERSON, OF THE HOME OFFICE DIRECT
COMMUNICATIONS UNIT WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME UNDER REFERENCE
T16299/7 REGARDING “YOUR POLICE COMPLAINT.”:
“I can see from your letter that you have raised a complaint with
the Chief Constable and the…IPCC and are not satisfied with the
response you have received…the IPCC is an independent body and
therefore, if you are not satisfied with their investigation, you
will need to seek independent legal advice.”
ON JUNE 12TH 2007 I WROTE A ‘ROUND ROBIN’ LETTER REGARDING THE
FALLACIOIUS INSURANCE CLAIMS W215732 AKA RR98XN AKA AT01939, TO:
LORD FALCONER
LORD PHILLIPS
THE HOME SECRETARY
THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT OMBUDSMAN
THE INFORMATION COMMISSION
THE LAW SOCIETY
ON JUNE 26TH 2007, HIESH DARJEE, FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITIES
AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME IN A LETTER
REFERENCED 070626/J24 – 54/018673/07”
“Thank you for your letter concerning council tax. As the issues
you have raised is the responsibility of this Department…I have
been asked to reply…I am afraid that the administration and
collection of council tax is the responsibility of the local
authority and it would not be appropriate for ministers or
officials from this Department to intervene in individual cases
between a local authority and its taxpayers.”
On June 27th 2007, BERNARD McNALLY FROM THE CUSTOMER SERVICES TEAM
OF THE INFORMATION COMMISSION WROTE THE FOLLLOWING TO ME UNDER
REFERENCE INFO166270:
“Thank you for your “round robin letter” regarding Sefton Borough
council. The information you have provided will be kept on our
files for information only.”
ON JUNE 28TH 2007, H JARMAN FROM THE CASE RECEPTION UNIT OF THE
INFORMATION COMMISSION WROTE THE FOLLLOWING TO ME UNDER REFERENCE
INFO166461:
“Thank you for your correspondence received at this office on 14th
June 2007 regarding your information request to Sefton MBC. The
information you have provided will be kept on our files for
information only.”
ON JULY 9TH 2009 LANDSEARCH LIMITED EMAILED ME CONFIRMING THEIR
CONTRACT WITH ME TO SUPPLY ME WITH TITLES LA 45086, LA 45343 AND
TITLE MS351603.
JUST OVER A YEAR SINCE MY LETTER TO JOHN PRESCOTT REGARDING THE
FORGED MAPPING, MARY ROSE MULLINER,LAWYER FROM THE LAND REGISTRY,
TELFORD, WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO ME IN A LETTER HEADED “TITLE NUMBER
LA45086.”:
“The point made by you in your letter of 13 June 2007 as to the
erasure of the Crown copyright date. The 1977 title plan for
LA43086 is based on more than one edition of the Ordnance Survey.
The first sheet within which former LA45086 is to be found, is
based on a 1966 edition, and the second and third sheets, within
which second sheet your property is found, is based on a 1970
edition. Where more than one edition is being used it would be
inappropriate to refer a crown copyright date.”
Yours sincerely,
fred robinson
From: Young, Ian
Lancashire County Council
6 March 2009
Dear Mr Robinson,
I have been asked to review the decisions that have been made in relation
to your requests for information under the Freedom of Information Act
2000. As you know, your requests relating to the transfer by deed of all
land in Seaforth have been treated as two separate requests dated 16 and
29 November 2008 and I have considered both of these.
The response you received on 26 November in relation to your first request
on this matter concluded that all relevant documentation was no longer
held by Lancashire County Council, having been previously transferred to
other local authorities. Having considered all the relevant information I
have concluded that this is an accurate response to your request.
In relation to your second request on this matter, the response you
received on 8 December 2008 concluded that the County Council holds no
information relevant to your subsequent enquiry. Having considered all
the relevant information in relation to this request I again agree that
this too is an accurate response to your request.
I have also been asked to consider your request dated 9 January to review
the response to your request for information regarding definitive mapping
held by the County Council. The response of 8 January concluded that no
information relevant to your request is held by the County Council.
Having carefully considered all relevant information, I agree that this is
an accurate response to your request.
In addition to considering your requests for reviews, I am concerned that
the volume of e-mails that you send to the County Council, often
containing details which appear to be wholly unrelated to your requests
for information, appear to me to be designed to cause disruption and
annoyance to the County Council. For example, since requesting an internal
review on 9 January I am aware that you have submitted two e-mails of over
9,000 words on several matters unrelated to your request for
information. In these circumstances I have concluded that your
correspondence must be considered to be vexatious within the meaning of
s.14(1) of the 2000 Act.
As previously advised, you may of course refer this matter to the
Information Commissioner.
Yours sincerely
Ian Young
Deputy County Secretary & Solicitor
Lancashire County Council
Tel 01772 533531
Fax 01772 534702
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From: Young, Ian
Lancashire County Council
6 March 2009
Dear Mr Robinson,
I have been asked to review the decisions that have been made in relation
to your requests for information under the Freedom of Information Act
2000. As you know, your requests relating to the transfer by deed of all
land in Seaforth have been treated as two separate requests dated 16 and
29 November 2008 and I have considered both of these.
The response you received on 26 November in relation to your first request
on this matter concluded that all relevant documentation was no longer
held by Lancashire County Council, having been previously transferred to
other local authorities. Having considered all the relevant information I
have concluded that this is an accurate response to your request.
In relation to your second request on this matter, the response you
received on 8 December 2008 concluded that the County Council holds no
information relevant to your subsequent enquiry. Having considered all
the relevant information in relation to this request I again agree that
this too is an accurate response to your request.
I have also been asked to consider your request dated 9 January to review
the response to your request for information regarding definitive mapping
held by the County Council. The response of 8 January concluded that no
information relevant to your request is held by the County Council.
Having carefully considered all relevant information, I agree that this is
an accurate response to your request.
In addition to considering your requests for reviews, I am concerned that
the volume of e-mails that you send to the County Council, often
containing details which appear to be wholly unrelated to your requests
for information, appear to me to be designed to cause disruption and
annoyance to the County Council. For example, since requesting an internal
review on 9 January I am aware that you have submitted two e-mails of over
9,000 words on several matters unrelated to your request for
information. In these circumstances I have concluded that your
correspondence must be considered to be vexatious within the meaning of
s.14(1) of the 2000 Act.
As previously advised, you may of course refer this matter to the
Information Commissioner.
Yours sincerely
Ian Young
Deputy County Secretary & Solicitor
Lancashire County Council
Tel 01772 533531
Fax 01772 534702
Email [1][email address]
DISCLAIMER
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confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the
addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you
are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution
of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it,
is prohibited and may be unlawful. As a public body, Lancashire County
Council may be required to disclose this email [or any response to it]
under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, unless the information in it is
covered by one of the exemptions in the Act. Please immediately contact
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From: fred robinson (Account suspended)
6 March 2009
Dear Young, Ian,
I GAVE YOU INFORMATION THAT I HELD TO SHOW YOU THAT THE OWNERSHIP
OF LAND IN SEAFORTH HAS SEVERAL MISSING LINKS WITH SEFTON COUNCIL,
THE COUNTIES RESPONSE SEEKS TO CONFIRM THAT THOSE LINKS ARE NOT
KNOWN BY THE COUNTY.
YOU APPEAR TO HAVE PREVENTED ME FROM OBTAINING BY PERSONAL VISIT,
PUBLIC INFORMATION YOU DO HOLD.
EVIDENCE I HOLD CONFLICTS WITH THAT CONTENTION, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT
ME TO DO. STOP ASKING FOR THE TRUTH?
Yours sincerely,
fred robinson
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