Traffic lights timing on the A4123

dennis fallon made this Freedom of Information request to Highways Agency

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From: dennis fallon

3 June 2009

Dear Sir or Madam,

Recent news reports (e.g. at
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news...
)have stated that
official central government policy until very recently from the
Department of Transport was to specifically encourage traffic light
timing cycles that hindered progress by the motorist, in order for
them to use more fuel (from stopping and starting) and therefore
pay more fuel duty to the Treasury.I am often delayed by traffic
lights on my way to Wolverhampon,and in view of this article,
please could you supply me with details of any
traffic light signals on the A4123 where the timing cycles
have been INTENTIONALLY set to hinder the progress of
motorists.Please advise if Highways are responsible for the entire
length of the A4123 between the Hagley Road and
Wolverhampton.Please advise if traffic light controls are always
set to
allow consistent amounts of `green`time between changes,who decides
about the light settings, and why the `green`time seems to vary
between different sets of
lights.How is the amount of `green`time calculated and does it
depend on the traffic volume or speed of the road or vary during
day or night?

Yours faithfully,

Dennis Fallon

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From: HAIL
Highways Agency

3 June 2009


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Good Evening

Please see attached a letter regarding your recent FOI request.

Kind regards

Claire Coniff
Highways Agency Information Line
tel: 08457 504030
email: [Highways Agency request email]

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From: dennis fallon

3 June 2009

Dear Claire Coniff,
Thank you for your reply,but according to Wikipedia (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highways_Ag....)the A4123 is a trunk
road under the control of Highways.It may be useful to edit and
update the Wikipedia content.I presume Highways abdicated
responsibility only recently.I have had problems on this road over
SEVERAL YEARS,so I would like to AMMEND my FOI so that all queries
therein refer to "whilst the A4123 was controlled by Highways.."in
order to understand the Highways perspective on these issues.Please
also clarify the DATE on which Highways rescinded control,and
confirm if the FULL length of the A4123 was under control prior to
that date.I am sorry about the confusion caused by Wikipedia
information.

Yours sincerely,

dennis fallon

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From: MAC9BusinessTeam
Highways Agency

8 June 2009

Dear Mr Fallon,

I am writing in response to your enquiry about traffic signals on the
A4123. This road was detrunked by the Highways Agency on the 13th November
2008, prior to this date the route was owned and maintained by the
Highways Agency, with the exception of the section which runs through
Wolverhampton which was detrunked to Wolverhampton MBC over twenty years
ago. Whilst the Highways Agency no longer has responsibility for the
operational maintenance of A4123, we do continue to contribute to the
running of the Traffic Signals control system as the route interfaces with
the M5 at Junction 2. The traffic signals are controlled by a system
called "SCOOT" which is a central adaptive computer system operated from
the Black Country Traffic control Centre at Wolverhampton. This system
works by measuring the flows and adjusting the signals along the route to
provide the least delays. The only major changes to this control system
in recent times have been the introduction of signals at the ASDA site
when the store opened and, more recently, the improvement to SCOOT control
at both Birchley Island and the M5 junction 2 island in November 2008
prior to detrunking. I can confirm that the signals are set to provide the
minimum of delay to all road users. However, as the signal timings vary
throughout the day and according to flows, it is not possible to give
general timings for signals, but if there is a particular journey time in
question then Wolverhampton MBC should be able to give an indication of
green times for the A4123.

Kind regards,

Katy Hindson, Assistant Business Team Administrator
Highways Agency | 4 Broadway | Broad Street | Birmingham | B15 1BL
Tel: +44 (0) 121 6788009
Web: [1]http://www.highways.gov.uk
GTN: 6189 8009

Safe roads, Reliable journeys, Informed travellers
Highways Agency, an Executive Agency of the Department for Transport.

Katy Hindson, Assistant Business Team Administrator
Highways Agency | 4 Broadway | Broad Street | Birmingham | B15 1BL
Tel: +44 (0) 121 6788009
Web: [2]http://www.highways.gov.uk
GTN: 6189 8009

Safe roads, Reliable journeys, Informed travellers
Highways Agency, an Executive Agency of the Department for Transport.

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From: dennis fallon

8 June 2009

Dear Katy Hindson,thank you for your technical reply which now
enables me to define my query more precisely.I have an issue with
red light cameras since a vehicle ahead of me once did an EMERGENCY
STOP,in pouring rain,when some traffic lights changed to amber and
they panic braked,causing a rear end shunt.It was a totally
unnecessary accident.I now often travel down the A4123 and although
the lights seem to operate sensibly during the day there seem to be
something peculiar happening at night whereby the lights may change
erratically and which I believe to be dangerous.I will focus on
just TW0 junctions either side of the M5, namely the A4123 junction
with the B4169 Causeway Green and the A4123 junction with the A457
Sedgley Road.As I mentioned earlier,traffic lights should be
trustworthy and reliable to prevent unexpected accidents,BUT I have
noticed that the green time at night on the MAIN road(A4123)is
TOTALLY UNTRUSTWORTHY,varying from 8 seconds to over one minute.I
would like to know why this should be happening.Surely the main
road,when there is virtually no traffic crossing it,should have a
reliable MINIMUM green of one minute and NOT be changing at twice
the frequency as during daylight hours?You will appreciate my
concern and I would appreciate advice as to who(Highways or
Wolverhampton MBC?)are responsible for these named junctions,and an
explanation as to why the lights change so erratically,and in my
opinion dangerously, at night.Allowing only 8 seconds of green
passage for the main road seems totally inappropriate.Is it all the
fault of SCOOT or some deliberate policy?
Thanking you in anticipation,

Yours sincerely,

dennis fallon

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From: dennis fallon

8 June 2009

Dear Katy Hindson,thank you for your technical reply which now
enables me to define my query more precisely.I have an issue with
red light cameras since a vehicle ahead of me once did an EMERGENCY
STOP,in pouring rain,when some traffic lights changed to amber and
they panic braked,causing a rear end shunt.It was a totally
unnecessary accident.I now often travel down the A4123 and although
the lights seem to operate sensibly during the day there seem to be
something peculiar happening at night whereby the lights may change
erratically and which I believe to be dangerous.I will focus on
just TW0 junctions either side of the M5, namely the A4123 junction
with the B4169 Causeway Green and the A4123 junction with the A457
Sedgley Road.As I mentioned earlier,traffic lights should be
trustworthy and reliable to prevent unexpected accidents,BUT I have
noticed that the green time at night on the MAIN road(A4123)is
TOTALLY UNTRUSTWORTHY,varying from 8 seconds to over one minute.I
would like to know why this should be happening.Surely the main
road,when there is virtually no traffic crossing it,should have a
reliable MINIMUM green of one minute and NOT be changing at twice
the frequency as during daylight hours?You will appreciate my
concern and I would appreciate advice as to who(Highways or
Wolverhampton MBC?)are responsible for these named junctions,and an
explanation as to why the lights change so erratically,and in my
opinion dangerously, at night.Allowing only 8 seconds of green
passage for the main road seems totally inappropriate.Is it all the
fault of SCOOT or some deliberate policy?
Thanking you in anticipation,

Yours sincerely,

dennis fallon

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From: MAC9BusinessTeam
Highways Agency

12 June 2009

Dear Mr Fallon,

In response to your further enquiry of the 9th June, I can confirm that the two junctions mentioned were the responsibility of the Highways Agency until the road was detrunked at the end of last year. They now come under the authority of Sandwell Metropolitan Borough Council. The Sandwell MBC contact for traffic signals is Daryl Barnett who I have forwarded your query on to today. I have included his contact details below for future reference.

e-mail: [email address]

Tel : 0121 569 4258

Sandwell MBC
Environment House
Lombard Street
West Bromwich
B70 8RU

I am confident that Daryl should be able to provide you with the details your enquiry asks for.

Kind regards,

Katy Hindson, Assistant Business Team Administrator
Highways Agency | 4 Broadway | Broad Street | Birmingham | B15 1BL
Tel: +44 (0) 121 6788009
Web: http://www.highways.gov.uk
GTN: 6189 8009

Safe roads, Reliable journeys, Informed travellers
Highways Agency, an Executive Agency of the Department for Transport.

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From: MAC9BusinessTeam
Highways Agency

17 June 2009

Dear Mr Fallon,

Further to my e mail below, I have since discovered that, whilst the A4123 junction with the B4169 Causeway Green does come under the authority of Sandwell MBC, the junction of the A4123 and A457 actually comes under the jurisdiction of Dudley MBC. I have referred your enquiry on to the Traffic Manager there and include his contact details below:

[email address]

01384 815422

Please accept my apologies for any confusion caused by this misunderstanding.

Kind regards,

Katy Hindson, Assistant Business Team Administrator
Highways Agency | 4 Broadway | Broad Street | Birmingham | B15 1BL
Tel: +44 (0) 121 6788009
Web: http://www.highways.gov.uk
GTN: 6189 8009

Safe roads, Reliable journeys, Informed travellers
Highways Agency, an Executive Agency of the Department for Transport.

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