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to establish lawful process of council tax demands. DO NOT CHANGE TITLE

Wesley Hayden made this Freedom of Information request to Stockport Metropolitan Borough Council

Stockport Metropolitan Borough Council did not have the information requested.

From: Wesley Hayden

28 October 2009

Dear Sir or Madam,

Freedom of Information Request (28th October 2009)

1.) Please can you tell me simply if Stockport Borough Council
conducts and directs its demands for council tax under common law
jurisdiction, using the laws on dry land?

2.) Does Stockport Borough Council "Act" upon the knowledge of
difference, between what is illegal and what is unlawful?

3.) Can you explain why Stockport Borough Council title there
printed communications as a "bill" when it does not comply to the
Bills of Exchange Act 1882 3(1)?

REF:
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatutes/A...

4.) Can Stockport Borough Council contract with a man or a woman
(untitled, on the land with all inalienable common law rights
reserved and intact)?

5.) Why does Stockport Borough Council choose to use the words
"giving rise to charge" on communications titled as a "bill" giving
reference to Maritime laws when it is processed on dry land?

6.) Is Stockport Borough Council part of a society whose language
is different from that used commonly by the men and women it makes
its demands upon?

Yours faithfully,

without ill will, vexation or frivolity.

wesley of the hayden family as commonly called
(WITHOUT PREJUDICE)

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From: FOI Officer
Stockport Metropolitan Borough Council

29 October 2009

Dear Mr Hayden,

Thank you for your request for information regarding council bills which has been given reference FOI 2329. Please quote this on any correspondence regarding your request.

Stockport Council will respond to your request within 20 working days. If there will be a charge for disbursements e.g. photocopying in order to provide the information, we will inform you as soon as possible to see if you wish to proceed; however such charges are usually waived if they amount to less than £10.

Yours sincerely,

Val Flanigan

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From: Wesley Hayden

30 October 2009

Dear FOI Officer,

Thank you for your reply on accepting to answer my requests, can I
ask you to address any further correspondence to a human being
(untitled) please, as Wesley or Wesley Hayden(not "Mr" as this is a
title I do not recognise nor reprisent, thanks.

Yours sincerely,

Wesley Hayden

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From: FOI Officer
Stockport Metropolitan Borough Council

23 November 2009

Wesley,

I am writing in response to your request for information below (ref 2329).
The response to your request is below:

1. Stockport MBC assesses liability for Council Tax in accordance with
the legislation, particularly The Local Government Finance Act 1992 and
the Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) (Amendment) Regulations
1992.

2. Stockport MBC, like any Local Authority can only act in accordance
with current legislation.

3. It is the Local Government Finance Act 1992 and the Council Tax
(Administration and Enforcement) (Amendment) Regulations 1992 that provide
the statutory basis for Council Tax billing rather than the Bills of
Exchange Act 1882.

4. As a legal entity Stockport MBC can enter into a contract with
anyone as long as there is a statutory basis to do so.

5. I refer to Point 3 above.

6. It is unclear what your question refers to; however the Freedom of
Information Act requires public authorities to provide recorded
information i.e. information which is recorded in some form and not
comments or opinions. We are not aware of any recorded information which
may relate to this question.

If you are unhappy with the way we have handled your request you are
entitled to ask for an internal review. Any internal review will be
carried out by a senior member of staff who was not involved with your
original request. To ask for an internal review, contact
[1][email address] in the first instance.

If you are unhappy with the outcome of any internal review, you are
entitled to complain to the Information Commissioner. To do so, contact:

Information Commissioner's Office

Wycliffe House

Water Lane

Wilmslow

Cheshire

SK9 5AF

[2]www.ico.gov.uk

01625 545 745

Yours sincerely,

Claire Naven

Claire Naven

Data Protection & Freedom of Information Officer

Stockport Metropolitan Borough Council

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From: Wesley Hayden

23 November 2009

Claire

Thank you for your reply with regards to my FOI request(ref 2329)
Please can you kindly help my understanding of the points you have
raised?

"1. Stockport MBC assesses liability for Council Tax in accordance
with the legislation, particularly The Local Government Finance Act
1992
and the Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) (Amendment)
Regulations 1992."

Just so I am understanding this correctly can you tell me what
particular "law" you mean when you assess council tax liability, as
it is my understanding that legislation (inc Acts &
Statutes/Regulatory legal frameworks) are not in themselves "Laws"
but upon consent of the governed can then be given the force of
law.
Is there a particular or specific law that your council uses to tax
a man or a woman, deficient of the consent needed that legislation
heavily relies upon?

"2. Stockport MBC, like any Local Authority can only act in
accordance
with current legislation."

So can Stockport MBC only Act on the title, not a man or a woman
(untitled)?

"3. It is the Local Government Finance Act 1992 and the Council Tax
(Administration and Enforcement) (Amendment) Regulations 1992 that
provide the statutory basis for Council Tax billing rather than the
Bills of Exchange Act 1882."

This does not make any sense, can you please explain how something
you have defined as a process of billing, would not have to adhere
to the regulations set by the government to what is a legal bill
but should be still recognised as such?

"4. As a legal entity Stockport MBC can enter into a contract with
anyone as long as there is a statutory basis to do so."

yes!

"5. I refer to Point 3 above."

I refer to my query of said question

"6. It is unclear what your question refers to; however the Freedom
of
Information Act requires public authorities to provide recorded
information i.e. information which is recorded in some form and not
comments or opinions. We are not aware of any recorded information
which
may relate to this question."

I apologise for not making this question more clear originally, on
the wrong presummption that you would of automatically understood
it how it was asked, but to ask this again with a more detailed and
specific outline, it is my understanding that your communications
sent to addresses use terminology that is otherwise less commonly
known, using words that have a different meaning by definition than
that used in a Oxford Dictionary.
For example, Blacks Law Dictionary is on its 9th edition, as the
words change in commerce and need updating, as there meanings
change, unlike common dictionary words which stay the same (new
words can be added), Blacks Law Dictionary is to give definition to
"Legalese" (the language of the law society) which means certain
words in the common English language can mean something entirely
different if printed on a communication sent from a company that is
part of a society whose language is different from that commonly
known.
Say for examples sake SMBC is part of a society whose language is
different, can print words on there communications that could be
misunderstood or be synonymous with other words and read as such
unknowingly, like person can mean a titled corporation but is
understood as a man or woman.

Examples on your printed communications have a common definition
but may have a definition also that reflects the language of a
different society.

E.G. (& common context)

"giving Rise" (to charge)

"debtor" (attachment to)

"liable" (deemed)

"prescribed" (by law)

"precepts" (& levies)

"provisions" (in law)

"bill" (council tax)

Yours sincerely,

Wesley Hayden

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From: Wesley Hayden

23 November 2009

Claire,

To Clarify the points you raised herein and to clarify question 6

Yours sincerely,

Wesley Hayden

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From: FOI Officer
Stockport Metropolitan Borough Council

8 December 2009

Dear Wesley,

We are unable to provide any further information in relation to your email
below. The Council has already responded to your questions and provided
the information we hold in order to reply. Your comments and requests for
clarification below do not make sense; therefore there is no information
we can provide in reply. We are unsure if it is the concept of the Bills
of Exchange Act you referred to which is causing confusion here. A `bill'
is very different from a `bill of exchange', which is a type of cheque; it
has nothing to do with sending invoices or payment demands.

If you are able to make a request for specific information which the
Council holds, we may be in a position to respond further.

Yours sincerely,

Claire Naven

Claire Naven

Data Protection & Freedom of Information Officer

Stockport Metropolitan Borough Council

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From: Wesley Hayden

11 December 2009

Dear Claire,

Thank you for your response.

"We are unable to provide any further information in relation to
your
email below. The Council has already responded to your questions
and
provided the information we hold in order to reply. Your comments
and
requests for clarification below do not make sense; therefore there
is
no information we can provide in reply. We are unsure if it is the
concept of the Bills of Exchange Act you referred to which is
causing
confusion here. A 'bill' is very different from a 'bill of
exchange',
which is a type of cheque; it has nothing to do with sending
invoices or
payment demands.

If you are able to make a request for specific information which
the
Council holds, we may be in a position to respond further.

Yours sincerely,

Claire Naven"

By using the FOI Act in trying to clarify what is meant to be after
all, a simple process, the confusion on your communications titled
as a "Bill" seem to have bred more confusion so I apologise for
anything that does not make sense that is outside the legal
jurisdiction, however, the confusion is not caused originally by my
questions, neither concepts, its caused by the word play on your
companies printed communications, namely words that are meant to be
understood by everyone but are not taught in schools and cannot by
anyone in the right field be explained lawfully, either in the
context of how they are written in there entirety on paper, neither
can the words expressed in there correct context be fully
understood without some knowledge of how commerce flows and
knowledge of the difference between legal & lawful.
You say SMBC can only give information that they hold, I appreciate
your time & effort, as a public servant you do not have an
obligation to serve without a middle man or legal framework (Acts
or Statutes), or hold the motivation of the publics right to
question.

Thank you for trying to help with my request for information.

Yours sincerely,

Wesley Hayden

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Nicholas Taylor left an annotation ( 2 February 2010)

On the part of the reply stating:

"We are unsure if it is the concept of the Bills of Exchange Act you referred to which is causing confusion here. A 'bill' is very different from a 'bill of exchange', which is a type of cheque;"

Yes the Bill of Exchange Act 1882 does cover cheques, but, it is NOT solely a Statute for cheques.

The Said Act states this very clearly:

"An Act to codify the law relating to Bills of Exchange, Cheques, and Promissory Notes.
[18th August 1882]"
This can be found at the bottom page of the respective OPSI link:
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatutes/A...

note it lists 3 elements:

Bills of Exchange
Cheques
Promissory Notes

Also the Act clearly defines a Bill of Exchange in Section 3 as:

"A bill of exchange is an unconditional order in writing, addressed by one person to another, signed by the person giving it, requiring the person to whom it is addressed to pay on demand or at a fixed or determinable future time a sum certain in money to or to the order of a specified person, or to bearer."

Any "Bill" that fits this definition is then legally bound to act within the Bills of Exchange Act 1882 irrelevant of other legislation unless the said Statute repeals the Bill of Exchange Act in some way.

This is clearly not the case as the The Local Government Finance Act 1992 has not and does not repeal any part of the Bills of Exchange Act 1882.

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paul ware left an annotation ( 3 January 2011)

Paul of the ware family
Should it not be simply a case of asking whether they apply the legalize definition of person to the acts they enforce. Or the oxford dictionary definition

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Sheila Oliver (Account suspended) left an annotation ( 4 January 2011)

For information, Stockport Council frequently refuses to comply with Freedom of Information, planning or human rights legislation.

Just one instance I can quote is the failure to hold a public inquiry when they received a statutory objection from someone who held an interest in land being compulsorily purchased. There are many other cases, which I am happy to let anyone have details of.

They seem happy to ignore all sorts of laws whenever it suits them.

Kind regards

Sheila

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Adam left an annotation (20 January 2011)

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/co...

please look at this letter. I found within the act in schedule 2 about the admistration of the tax. It says that they can give notices but says notthing about a biil;

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