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From: Susan Davis
6 March 2009
Dear Sir or Madam,
If you run an ecological protection scheme for road verges in your
area, please could you provide me with the following details:
a) what protection measures a verge receives when it is included in
the scheme
b) the list of verges covered by the scheme (and their locations -
road name/number and six figure OS grid references would be fine)
c) for each verge, the specific reasons why the verge has been
included in the scheme - i.e. the notable species found there, or
the NVC community present
If you do not run such a scheme in your area, but you are aware
that another body does, please could you refer me to them instead.
Many thanks,
Susan Davis
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Gloucestershire County Council
9 March 2009
Dear Ms Davis
Request for Information (Reference 09/FOI/1197)
Thank you for your request for information received on 6 March 2009
.
Gloucestershire County Council is committed to the principles of the Freedom of Information Act (FoIA) and will wherever possible provide all the information requested unless constrained by another statute or by an exemption within the FoIA. Please note that some information you have requested may not be provided to you; this will only be information that can be withheld by law. In most cases the reasons will be explained to you along with your copy of any information that can be released to you.
Your request is being considered and you will receive a response as soon as possible and within the statutory timescale of 20 working days, as defined by the FoIA; that date is 6 April 2009.
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From: Environment Feedback
Gloucestershire County Council
31 March 2009
Dear Ms Davis,
In response to your questions about Gloucestershire road verges covered by
an ecological protection scheme, the information you have requested is
accessible by other means.
Acomprehensive survey of conservation road verges (CRVs) is currently
underway, in partnership with the Gloucester Wildlife Trust (GWT), and the
final designation of CRVs and their ongoing management is to be agreed
between the County Council and GWT. Please see the attached document for
further details.
The survey information is stored at Gloucestershire Centre for
Environmental Records (GCER - which is part of GWT) in their Biological
Records Centre.This data is available to the public on request, so please
will you contact them to ask for information on the areas you are
interested in.
Contact details for GCER are:
* telephone number 01172 309040
* email address [1][email address]
Further details about GCER can be found on the GWT website at
[2]http://www.gloucestershirewildlifetrust....
I trust this answers the questions you have raised but please contact me
if you require any further information. If you are unhappy with this
response, you are entitled to request a review by writing to:
Heather Forbes
Head of Information Management and Archives
Shire Hall
Westgate Street
Gloucester
GL1 2TG
regards,
Lucy Jefferies
FoI and Complaints Officer
Environment Directorate
Tel: 01452 42 5505
Email: [3][email address]
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From: Susan Davis
31 March 2009
Dear Lucy,
Many thanks for youre reply. Please could you pass my request on to
the GCER and ask them to get in touch.
Yours sincerely,
Susan Davis
Gloucestershire County Council
3 April 2009
Dear Ms Davis,
Thank you for your request regarding protected road verges in
Gloucestershire, which has been forwarded to us by the County Council.
This information is actually kept by the County Council as it is their
scheme! However, we also have the information here and can provide the
details you request.
The list of Conservation Road Verges is kept under review, so it will
change from year to year. You should have received a bit of background
information about how and why the CRVs are selected, and the protection
afforded them, from the County Council - tell me if you didn't received
this and I'll send a copy.
The current list of CRVs is detailed in the attached spreadsheet - again,
do get in touch if you can't receive or open the file and I'll try to get
it to you some other way.
The full details of why each verge was selected depends on the survey
sheet, which is not available electronically; these are kept by the
Wildlife Trust, but I can probably get them copied. This could take a
while though! I can try to get these done next week, or, if there's a
particular verge that you're interested in, I've left the database site
no. and file code on the attached list so that you could get back to us
and quote which one you were particularly keen to get information on.
This might speed things up a bit.
Is this for any purpose in particular? (e.g. student project?)
best wishes
Linda Moore
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From: Susan Davis
3 April 2009
Dear Linda,
Thanks very much for your swift reply. The County Council wasn't
able to provide any information at all, so it's great that you are
able to. The background information about how and why the CRVs are
selected, and the protection afforded them, would be really useful.
I am carrying out a nationwide study of road verge nature reserve
schemes, and the results are proving to be very interesting. In
some counties, comprehensive and well-established schemes are in
place, whereas in other counties there is nothing at all - some of
the latter are urban boroughs where road verges are all of the
"amenity grassland" type, so no surprises there, but some quite
large counties such as Cornwall do not have a scheme at all. I'm
really impressed with the detail that many of the councils which do
run schemes have been able to provide - clearly indicating they are
very "on top of" what they're doing.
Thanks for offering to copy the survey sheets. Can I just check -
would you be able to scan them? It would be easier to handle the
information if I had it in electronic format. If not, not to worry,
paper is OK. There's no hurry with this, by the way - as you can
imagine, with just over 200 authorities to cover, I'm going to be
busy with this for a while.
Yours,
Susan Davis
Gloucestershire County Council
3 April 2009
Dear Susan,
I have found 19 verge register files which are computerised, presumably by
the GWT officer in charge (who is currently on maternity leave
unfortunately). I have a feeling that all the rest are paper records
only; if I can find them I will try to get them scanned, but this could
take some time. In the meantime, attached are the verge files which are
computerised (i.e. the most recent ones). Tell me if these don't reach
you OK.
NB There is a programme for new and re-surveys year on year. The results
are given to us to help keep the digitised map layer updated.
The protection afforded the CRVs is explained in the County Council's
background information - did you receive this?
best wishes
Linda
From: Susan Davis <[FOI #8862 email]>
To: [email address]
Date: 03/04/2009 12:43
Subject: Re: Freedom of Information request - Road verges - ecological
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From: Susan Davis
3 April 2009
Dear Linda,
Many thanks. I received one document from the council - "CRV survey
& updating register Final vers 2 2006" - I guess this is the
background document you're referring to?
Yours sincerely,
Susan Davis
Gloucestershire County Council
3 April 2009
Yes - that's all that I have too!
Linda
From: Susan Davis <[FOI #8862 email]>
To: [email address]
Date: 03/04/2009 14:03
Subject: Re: Freedom of Information request - Road verges - ecological
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From: Susan Davis
9 May 2009
Hi Linda
I thought I'd get in touch to ask whether you had been able to find
the records for the additional road verges.
Thanks,
Susan
From: Susan Davis
2 June 2009
Hi Linda
Did you receive my email of 9 May? I was wondering how you were
getting on with finding the data for the remaining sites.
Thanks
Susan
Gloucestershire County Council
22 June 2009
Dear Susan,
I note from the What do they Know.com website that you have sent a couple
of emails and not received my last email! I'm sorry you didn't get this.
The road verge files are all in separate folders mixed in with our other
site files, and one of our volunteers is gradually working through
scanning them. She has been on holiday and only comes in one day a week,
but I'm hoping that we can get you some scanned files of the remaining
verge details soon. Do you have a deadline for this project?
best wishes
Linda
From: Susan Davis <[FOI #8862 email]>
To: [email address]
Date: 03/04/2009 14:03
Subject: Re: Freedom of Information request - Road verges - ecological
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From: Susan Davis
22 June 2009
Hi Linda,
Thanks for that update. I've not really got a fixed deadline - and
there are still a few other areas which have yet to respond. If
you're able to get them to me before the end of July, that would be
great.
Yours sincerely,
Susan Davis
Gloucestershire County Council
2 July 2009
Hi Susan,
we now have all the road verge survey sheets scanned. There are a total
of 489 scanned files, which amounts to 587Mb of data. Would you like me
to send you this on a CD? I think it's probably too much to email!
regards
Linda
PS please do bear in mind that as a Local Records Centre we would charge a
commercial rate for this kind of request unless it was strictly for
research purposes. The data comes therefore with a disclaimer about the
status of the data, how up to date it is, and any restrictions on how it
may be used, acknowledged, distributed etc.
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From: Susan Davis
2 July 2009
Dear Linda,
Thanks for the update. I think the best thing to do would be to
copy the information onto a CD and supply it back to
Gloucestershire County Council. I can then ask them to release it
as their response to my original request.
I can confirm that this request is for research purposes, and that
I will comply with any conditions placed on use of the data.
Many thanks for your hard work (please also pass my thanks on to
your volunteer)
Susan Davis
Gloucestershire County Council
3 July 2009
Dear Susan,
If you would rather do things via the County Council, I will send them two
CDs so that they can keep one in case of future requests, and send one to
you.
The list of conservation road verges is of course in the public domain, so
there isn't much in the way of restrictions, however there is a small
disclaimer about the status and quality of the data and how it should be
acknowledged. This is just a ReadMe file on the CD.
The files are sorted into folders according to their Ordnance Survey map
square, e.g. SO81 etc. Pages are scanned individually so most verges have
several files, hence the large overall number.
The ReadMe file states that the dataset is from 1989 to 2007; however, I
think there are some 2008 records in there too, added from the ones which
I sent you earlier.
I hope this will help with your survey. NB. I would be very grateful if
we could have a copy of your findings once the research is complete - it
sounds like an interesting project.
best wishes
Linda
From: Susan Davis <[FOI #8862 email]>
To: [email address]
Date: 02/07/2009 21:03
Subject: Re: Freedom of Information request - Road verges - ecological
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From: KENNISON, Gary
Gloucestershire County Council
3 July 2009
Dear All,
The County operates a Service Level Agreement with GCER (Gloucestershire
Centre for Environmental Records). Where GCER holds and maintains data on
behalf of the County Council it is normal practice for GCER to be able to
supply such data direct unless we have stipulated otherwise. So sending
the information direct from GCER in this case is acceptable.
Gary Kennison
Principal Ecologist
Planning & Development
Gloucestershire County Council
Shire Hall
Gloucester
GL1 2TH
Tel.: 01452 425679
Email: [email address]
Website: www.gloucestershire.gov.uk
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Sent: 03 July 2009 11:58
To: Susan Davis
Cc: KENNISON, Gary; LIDGETT, Caroline
Subject: Re: Freedom of Information request - Road verges - ecological
protection scheme
Dear Susan,
If you would rather do things via the County Council, I will send them two
CDs so that they can keep one in case of future requests, and send one to
you.
The list of conservation road verges is of course in the public domain, so
there isn't much in the way of restrictions, however there is a small
disclaimer about the status and quality of the data and how it should be
acknowledged. This is just a ReadMe file on the CD.
The files are sorted into folders according to their Ordnance Survey map
square, e.g. SO81 etc. Pages are scanned individually so most verges have
several files, hence the large overall number.
The ReadMe file states that the dataset is from 1989 to 2007; however, I
think there are some 2008 records in there too, added from the ones which
I sent you earlier.
I hope this will help with your survey. NB. I would be very grateful if
we could have a copy of your findings once the research is complete - it
sounds like an interesting project.
best wishes
Linda
From: Susan Davis <[FOI #8862 email]>
To: [email address]
Date: 02/07/2009 21:03
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From: Susan Davis
3 July 2009
Dear Linda,
Having read Gary's reply, would it be possible for you to send the
data yourself after all? I think you are correct in saying that
it's likely to be too big for a single email, so you'll probably
need to split the files across multiple emails - hopefully you
won't have to send too many?
I'd be happy to let you have a copy of my final report when it's
available.
Yours faithfully,
Susan Davis
Gloucestershire County Council
3 July 2009
Dear Susan,
I have prepared the CDs now and would rather not waste them. Our email
system cannot cope with large file sizes and it would take around one
hundred emails to send all the data (which is over a gigabyte in total).
We are a charity and only have two full-time members of staff. We also
have a duty to our various Service Level Agreement partners, and cannot
spend many hours on a single request like this - it has already taken a
lot of work to prepare. I should perhaps have said before that you are of
course welcome to drop in and pick up the information in person. Or, we
can post the CD to whichever college or university you are based at, or to
your own address if you prefer.
regards
Linda
From: Susan Davis <[FOI #8862 email]>
To: [email address]
Date: 03/07/2009 16:05
Subject: Re: Freedom of Information request - Road verges - ecological
protection scheme
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From: Susan Davis
3 July 2009
Dear Linda,
Thanks for the reply. I sympathise with your situations. Let me see
if WhatDoTheyKnow can help - they may be able to accept the CD by
post and upload the data for you.
All the best
Susan
From: Susan Davis
17 July 2009
Dear Linda,
Some good news. Richard Thomas as WhatDoTheyKnow will be in touch
shortly to arrange for you to supply the details to him in the
post.
Thanks for your patience,
Susan Davis
From: Susan Davis
22 July 2009
Dear Linda,
Richard Taylor has been in touch with me and passed on the email
you sent to him. I have to say I feel quite stunned at what you've
said, and I'm not quite sure how to react, but I hope that this
email will allay your fears. If there is something that I've said
in my correspondence that has led you to believe that my enquiry is
anything other than part of a genuine research project, I'm really
sorry to have given that impression, although I can't think what
could have caused you to think this.
WhatDoTheyKnow is a relatively new venture and a way of accessing
information that is unfamiliar at first, and so it is only natural
that you should ask some questions. I'm very happy to answer them.
I'll try to answer the specific points you've raised in your email
to Richard below.
As one piece of evidence that this is a genuine research project,
you can search for other FoI requests made via WTDK with the title
"Road verges - ecological protection scheme" and you'll see that I
have, as I have said, been contacting organisations country-wide on
this subject. If this was an attempt at underhandedly accessing
GCER's information, which it isn't, it's a very elaborate way of
going about it!
I'm not sure why you thought that this was a project associated
with an academic institution. Can you tell me why you thought this?
If there was something I said that gave this impression, it would
be helpful to know what this was, as I want to make sure I avoid
doing that in future.
On the Data Protection issue, you're correct in saying that data
can only be used for the purposes for which is is supplied -
however, this applies to personal data, and I wouldn't expect you
to release any personal data in response to my request, only
non-personal ecological data. If you're not sure about the
distinction between personal and non-personal data I'm be happy to
explain this in more detail.
Also, if there is sensitive data among the information you've
compiled, which, if published on WDTK, would endanger the
ecological value of the verges in question, then naturally, I would
expect you not to release this. One or two other authorities only
released a subset of their data for similar reasons, and I entirely
respect that.
I hope that the above gives you the assurances that you need but if
you need more detail please do get back to me.
Yours,
Susan Davis
From: Susan Davis
31 July 2009
Dear Linda,
I hope you are well. I've not heard back from you since my email of
22nd July so I thought I would email again to check whether you had
received it.
Best wishes,
Susan
From: Susan Davis
10 August 2009
Dear Gary,
Could I ask you please to re-open my FOI request? The reason for
GCC withholding the information was that the information is readily
available through other means, namely GCER. I have not been able to
obtain the data from GCER however, and recent correspondence to
them has not received a reply. If you need me to re-send my
request, please let me know.
Yours sincerely,
Susan Davis
From: KENNISON, Gary
Gloucestershire County Council
10 August 2009
Thank you for your email. I am out of the office until 24th August 2009.
If your email is urgent and requires a response, you can try contacting
the following people:
Simon Excell Tel. 01452 425698
([email address])
Vanessa Paterson Tel. 01452 425810
([email address])
Julie Baldwin Tel. 01452 425665
([email address])
or Main Reception Tel. 01452 425000
who may be able to assist you.
Thank you
Gary Kennison (Principal Ecologist)
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From: MORRIS, Sue
Gloucestershire County Council
25 August 2009
Dear Ms Davis
Request for Information (Reference 09/FOI/1568)
Thank you for your request for information for Road verges, ecological
protection scheme, received on 24 August 2009.
Gloucestershire County Council is committed to the principles of the
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From: GRODZICKA, Jenny
Gloucestershire County Council
18 September 2009
Dear Ms Davis
Request for Information (Reference 09/FOI/1568)
I am writing in response to your request for information received on 24
August 2009.
I have completed my investigation into your request and you were provided
with the information that is held by Gloucestershire County Council [the
council] on 31 March 2009 in response to your previous request, reference
09/FOI/1187. The council does not hold or have access to the raw data
held by Gloucestershire Centre for Environmental Records (GCER), therefore
the council cannot help you any further with your enquiry; the council is
not able to provide information it does not hold.
As the information was not held by the council you were provided with
details of the organisation where the information is available from, even
though they are not subject to the Freedom of Information Act (FoIA). I
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Corporate Information and Compliance Manager
Community and Adult Care Directorate
Gloucestershire County Council
Shire Hall
Westgate Street
Gloucester
GL1 2TG
Tel: 01452 426186
Email: [6][email address]
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From: Susan Davis
18 September 2009
Dear Jenny,
Thank you for your reply. Thank you in particular for confirming
that you supplied all of the information which you held when I
submitted my original request - I can now regard my request as
closed.
You may like to consider reviewing the wording you use when you
response to requests when you do not hold the information, as I
misinterpreted the wording "accessible by other means" to imply
that the council did hold the information itself. This is how this
exemption is usually used in reponse to information requests. The
legislation allows you to state that you cannot supply the
information because you do not hold it, which would have been a
clearer reason in this case, and avoided the need for the rather
prolonged correspondence.
Can you tell me whether Gloucestershire County Council has provided
me with all of the information which it now holds in relation to
this subject?
If the council has acquired further information since 31 March
2009, I would appreciate a copy of that. Please let me know if you
need me to submit that as a separate request.
Yours sincerely,
Susan Davis
From: Susan Davis
18 September 2009
Dear Linda,
As I've not heard from you recently, I thought I should contact you
again to ask you about the current situation in respect of the road
verge data. You asked (via Richard Taylor) for some assurances
about me, my project, and the uses to which the data would be put.
I emailed you on 22 July to provide the information you asked for -
if you've not received this email, please let me know, and I will
send it again. If you have received it and you are satisifed with
my assurances, please could you let me know what the current
position is with my information request? If you need further
information, please let me know what you would like to know, and I
will try to provide it.
Many thanks,
Susan Davis
From: GRODZICKA, Jenny
Gloucestershire County Council
22 September 2009
Dear Ms Davis,
I have checked with the Environment Directorate and can confirm that the council has provided you with everything held in relation to this request. The council has not acquired any further data since 31 March 2009 and therefore has nothing further to provide.
Your comments about the phrasing in the response letter have been noted and we will bear them in mind for future requests.
Kind regards,
Jenny Grodzicka
Corporate Information and Compliance Manager
Community and Adult Care Directorate
Gloucestershire County Council
Shire Hall
Westgate Street
Gloucester
GL1 2TG
Tel: 01452 426186
Email: [email address]
Go to www.gloucestershire.gov.uk to find information on any County Council service. It couldn’t be easier to find information instantly and in some cases apply for services online.
For Freedom of Information (FOI) requests please email [Gloucestershire County Council request email]
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Richard Taylor left an annotation (22 July 2009)
I offered to accept the CD and upload its contents to WhatDoTheyKnow. They responded by making some rather odd arguments including claiming that the offer to release the information was not made as a response to a freedom of information request, but as a separate offer to help out a research project, outside of FOI. They also make what I personally believe is an absurd suggestion that legitimate academic research can only be done by individuals "actually associated with an academic institution".
The response is copied below:
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Richard - WhatDoTheyKnow.com volunteer
Begin forwarded message:
Date: 22 July 2009 17:46:53 BST
To: Richard Taylor
Subject: Re: Road verges - ecological protection scheme
Dear Richard,
Thank you for getting in touch on behalf of Ms Susan Davis. Regarding the Freedom of Information Act, GCER is not a public body, but any information (such as the files already provided) directly relevant to our contract with the County Council is of course relevant to the Act. Once the newly revised list of Conservation Road Verges (mentioned in the County Council's email response) is complete, along with the reasons for choosing the verges, this will naturally be available under the Act in the usual way. Meanwhile, it should be noted that not all of the data which we were hoping to share with Ms Davis are derived from sources related to the County Council contract, or have been used in the current round of CRV selection. In such cases, we are bound both by the policies of GCER and our host (Gloucestershire Wildlife Trust, and its charitable Terms of Reference) and the Data Protection Act. As I understand it, Gloucestershire County Council's original Freedom of Information request was dealt with some time ago: us sending out large amounts of GCER's raw survey data is a separate issue related to genuine research purposes only, i.e. we were hoping to support Ms Davis in her comparison of road verge surveys around the country.
As the survey data in question contains direct location references of species, often on private land, some of which are protected by law and vulnerable to disturbance, we naturally will not give out this information to a third party without the usual checks taking place. Sending this to a different person and address altogether, apparently for a different purpose (i.e. publishing it on an unrelated website) is not acceptable and indeed is highly likely to violate our own responsibilities under the Data Protection Act, as it would be using the data for a quite different purpose to that for which it was given us (often by volunteers). Should anyone else need to use the data, they would need to contact GCER with the usual data request procedure. This process is vital in order to avoid unscrupulous use of detailed survey data (for example, if you were to publish the full extent of the survey notes which were used to decide the Conservation Road Verge list, this could be a gift to badger-baiters). Sadly, the use of fictional online identities is one way in which data from Environmental Records Centres can be obtained for such purposes.
I was originally of the impression that the request to GCER for extended information above and beyond the County Council's list was part of a genuine research project. However, looking down the list of correspondence on your website, I can't help noticing that at no stage is there any indication that the research in question is actually associated with an academic institution, and the more recent emails suggest that "Susan Davis" is reluctant to contact anyone directly, even when given a range of options (e.g. sending a specially prepared CD, or visiting in person). This is unheard-of for a genuine researcher. In view of the potential seriousness of this situation, and the obvious possibility of our data being released in good faith and then used for a different reason altogether, I will keep the CD with the full background road verge survey data until we have an assurance of the following:
i) Ms Davis is actually a real person and not a fictional name of someone who is making use of your website to obtain information falsely (or commercially, for free);
ii) The data would be used in a bona fide research project;
iii) The data would not simply be published on a website, putting it outside the usual checks (and updates) that a responsible Local Records Centre would wish to make.
regards
Linda Moore
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