Redundancy and Dismissal proceedings in recent years.

Dr Mike Clark made this Freedom of Information request to University of Cambridge

University of Cambridge did not have the information requested.

From: Dr Mike Clark

11 March 2009

Dear Sir or Madam,

The University has recently published a "White Paper" proposing
changes to its redundancy and dismissal procedures. I would like to
have information on the recent history of use of the existing
procedures covering the last 3 and if possible up to the last 5
years.

If possible breaking staff down into categories used in the tables
within the published "White Paper". i.e. established officers, or
unestablished academic and academic-related staff in equivalent
posts.

(1) How many staff have been subject to dismissal procedures on
grounds of (a) redundancy or on (b) disciplinary grounds?

(2) How many such staff have eventually been made redundant, or
dismissed, as a result of those procedures?

(3) How many such staff have appealed the result of the process
using the existing internal appeal procedures, and how many were
successful in their internal appeal?

(4) How many staff have taken their case to an external employment
tribunal? Also how many such employment tribunal cases have
completed and on how many occasions was the verdict in favour of,
or against the University?

(5) How many staff have agreed to settle proceedings without
starting, or without completing, an employment tribunal process? On
how many such occasions did the University ask the individual to
sign a "compromise agreement", how many individuals received a cash
payment and if payment was made what were the average and total
sums paid, and also what was the maximum sum paid?

Yours faithfully,

Dr Mike Clark

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Dr Mike Clark left an annotation (12 March 2009)

For the avoidance of doubt I am currently serving as the elected Vice-President of the Cambridge branch of UCU
http://www.ucu.cam.ac.uk/ and obviously have an interest in the answers to these questions in that capacity.

Also regarding staff categories I am more interested in the details for staff funded from the University's own funds ("Chest funding") as opposed to those funded from external research grants and contracts with a fixed term.

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From: FOI
University of Cambridge

13 March 2009

Dear Dr Clark,
This is to acknowledge receipt of your Freedom of Information Request. Your reference number is
FOI-2009-31. We will respond on or before 8 April 2009.
Regards,
FOI Team

University of Cmabridge
Secretariat, The Old Schools
Trinity Lane
Cambridge
CB2 1TN
T: (01223 7)64142
F: (01223 3) 32332
[email address]

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Bruce Beckles left an annotation (20 March 2009)

Note that in previous FOI requests to the University asking for statistical/summary data, both from myself and others, the University has refused to provide the information claiming that it is "not required to create new information to comply with a Freedom of Information request". This position presumably is based on the MoJ guidance given here:

http://www.justice.gov.uk/guidance/foi-p...

If they attempt to do the same thing in response to your request here, you should be aware that both the ICO and the Information Tribunal have found against this position. In summary, the relevant Information Tribunal decision, as reported in paragraph 12 of the following ICO Decision Notice:

http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/d...

is as follows:

"In Johnson v the ICO and Ministry of Justice EA/2006/085 the Tribunal considered the extent to which a public authority would need to manipulate the information in order to comply with the request. It concluded that where the levels of 'skill and judgement' in collating information were minimal or where the substantive manipulation of the constituent information were not necessary to comply with a request, information should be considered to be held."

The Information Tribunal decision in full (Appeal Number: EA/2006/0085) is here:

http://www.informationtribunal.gov.uk/Do...

The ICO has been even more explicit in finding against this position. Paragraphs 27-8 of the following ICO Decision Notice:

http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/d...

state:

"27. The Commissioner acknowledges that public authorities will often
receive requests made under the Act for lists of information. In many
cases this will not be information which the public authority holds in list
form but the constituent data parts, instead, will be held in a database
or other disparate sources. A common response to such requests is
that the information is simply not held, because, as noted above, the
public authority is not in possession of a physical list, as requested. A
number of public authorities have further claimed that responding to
such a request would involve the creation of new information.

28. The Commissioner does not accept this position and instead is of the
view that where a database or other electronic source contains
recorded information identified in a request, the information is held, and
the public authority is under an obligation to provide it (unless it is
exempt). Further, the Commissioner considers that the actions
required to access the specified information constitute information
retrieval or extraction rather than the creation of new information,
because, simply, the information is held, albeit embedded within a
broader resource of data. As the Act provides a right of access to
recorded information, and such information is recorded, the difficulty of
the retrieval or extraction process is irrelevant to the question of
whether the information is held. However, the complexity of this
procedure, in terms of the time it would take to locate and extract the
requested information is clearly relevant to the consideration of costs
under the Fees Regulations."

Note that the ICO's position on this issue is more fully articulated in this ICO Decision Notice:

http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/d...

...which, additionally, has been upheld by the Information Tribunal on appeal:

http://www.informationtribunal.gov.uk/Do...

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From: FOI
University of Cambridge

8 April 2009


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Dear Dr Clark,

Further to your request for information under the Freedom of Information Act, I enclose the
University's response.

Kind Regards,

FOI Team

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University of Cambridge
Secretariat, The Old Schools
Trinity Lane, Cambridge, CB2 1TN

T: (01223 7)64142
F: (01223 3)32332
[email address]

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Bruce Beckles left an annotation ( 9 April 2009)

Given that the University has said that providing the information you want for the past 5 years would take one person more than 18 hours (and hence would cost too much), you could quite reasonably ask them to supply the information for the past x years where x is the largest number such that the request would not cost too much. (Of course, x might turn out to be so small as to be useless.)

In fact, according to the guidance issued by the Information Commissioner ("Using the Fees Regulations") at:

http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/l...

they should have done this as a matter of course:

"Where an authority refuses a request because the appropriate limit has been exceeded, it should, bearing in mind the duty under section 16 of the FOIA to advise and assist an applicant, provide information on how the estimate has been arrived at and provide advice to the applicant as to how the request could be refined or limited to come within the cost limit."

Thus, arguably the University is failing to do its duty under Section 16 of the FOIA. It would make sense to ask them to review their handling of this request in light of the Information Commissioner's guidance above.

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From: Dr Mike Clark

15 April 2009

Dear Kirsty,

I do not find the answer to my request, i.e. your refusal to answer
the questions, satisfactory.

In refusing my request, on the grounds that it would take too long
to derive all of the information I asked for, you seem to have
overlooked the guidance given by the information commissioner as
follows.

"Where an authority refuses a request because the appropriate limit
has been exceeded, it should, bearing in mind the duty under
section 16 of the FOIA to advise and assist an applicant, provide
information on how the estimate has been arrived at and provide
advice to the applicant as to how the request could be refined or
limited to come within the cost limit."

My request consisted of a number of sequential questions and also a
time period of up to 5 years. I also am more interested in staff
who have the status of officers, or who are in unestablished
equivalent posts, rather than staff on fixed term contracts.

Perhaps you could advise me as to which of my questions, or on a
refinement of my questions, that you might be in a position to
answer within the allowable time limit?

By way of observation I am also puzzled by your statement that..

"However, data relating to the actual or potential dismissal of
staff on redundancy or disciplinary grounds is held by the
University in an unsystematic way within manual paper-based records
across a number of physical locations."

Surely the University as an employer is under a statutory duty to
continually monitor records such as redundancies to ensure that it
complies with employment legislation regarding regulations such a
reporting on "collective redundancies", i.e. 20 or more
redundancies occurring within any one 90 day period. If the HR
division is not keeping systematic track of such proceedings how
can the University be assured that it is compliant with it's
statutory obligations under employment legislation?

Yours sincerely,

Dr Mike Clark

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From: FOI
University of Cambridge

28 April 2009

Dear Mike,
I have been looking into this with relevant colleagues and I will get back to you as soon as
possible.
With best wishes
Kirsty

Kirsty Allen, MA PhD
Senior Assistant Registrary
Secretariat
The Old Schools
Trinity Lane
Cambridge, CB2 1TN

Email: [email address]
Telephone (direct dial): 01223 332323
Telephone (Secretary: Ms Molly Hughes): 01223 764142

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University of Cambridge

13 May 2009


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Dear Dr Clark,

Please find enclosed a letter from Dr Kirsty Allen regarding this matter.

Regards,
FOI Team

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University of Cambridge
Secretariat, The Old Schools
Trinity Lane, Cambridge, CB2 1TN

T: (01223 7)64142
F: (01223 3)32332
[email address]

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Bruce Beckles left an annotation ( 4 June 2009)

I observe that the University's response does not provide any information on how it arrived at its estimate [that it would cost too much to provide the requested information]. Typically, authorities explaining how they arrived at such an estimate would provide approximate figures for the likely number of files that would need to be searched and the length of time it would take to locate and search each file for the relevant information. This allows the requester to judge for themselves whether this estimate is a reasonable one.

Thus arguably the University has still not complied with Section 16 of the FOIA and the requester should consider complaining about the handling of this request.

Furthermore, the University's response includes the following statement: "I understand that the Director of HR confers regularly with senior officers in the Division in order to monitor compliance with the University's statutory obligations, including under the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992." If any minutes or notes are taken of/at these regular communications, then they might provide the figures on redundancy that the requester is after. The request should consider asking for such notes, minutes, etc., or at least the relevant portions of them. It would be interesting to know whether such minutes, notes, etc. exist, since if they don't this would be another example of the University's apparently poor record keeping with respect to the routine business of the University.

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Richard Taylor left an annotation ( 4 June 2009)

I would have thought it would be appriopriate for the external members of the University Council to take an interest in the various matters raised by this request if it was brought to their attention.

http://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/news/press/dp...

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From: Dr Mike Clark

18 June 2009

Dear Dr Allen,

In the final paragraph of your reply of the 13th May 2009 in reply
to my questions of 15th April 2009, you have stated that "the
Director of HR confers regularly with senior officers in the
Division in order to ensure compliance with the University's
statutory obligations, including under the Trade Union and Labour
Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992."

Starting with the most recent records and going back as far as is
practicable within limitations of the FOI request. Please could you
supply any minutes, or notes, or details of records of those
consultations that would indicate what the total numbers of
redundancies were in each period covered by the discussions in
those "regular consultations"?

Yours sincerely,

Dr Mike Clark
Vice-President Cambridge UCU

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From: FOI
University of Cambridge

22 June 2009

Dear Dr Clark,

This is to acknowledge receipt of your Freedom of Information request. Your reference number is
FOI-2009-78. We will respond on or before 16 July 2009.

Regards,

FOI Team

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University of Cambridge
Secretariat, The Old Schools
Trinity Lane, Cambridge, CB2 1TN

T: (01223 7)64142
F: (01223 3)32332
[email address]

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From: FOI
University of Cambridge

30 June 2009


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Dear Dr Clark,

Further to your request for information under the Freedom of Information Act, I enclose the
University's response.

Kind Regards,

FOI Team

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University of Cambridge
Secretariat, The Old Schools
Trinity Lane, Cambridge, CB2 1TN

T: (01223 7)64142
F: (01223 3)32332
[email address]

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