Number of motorcycle protestors

Graham made this Freedom of Information request to Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) did not have the information requested.

From: Graham

3 November 2009

Dear Sir or Madam,

I noticed a Met Police officer at the No To Motorcycle Parking Fees
campaign on Saturday who was counting the number of motorcycles
present

Please can you provide the number of motorcycles counted at this
demonstration (31st October 2009) and also at any previous
demonstrations where your officers have taken a count

Thank you very much

Yours faithfully,

Graham

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Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

3 November 2009

Dear Graham,

Freedom of Information Request Reference No:2009110000537

I write in connection with your request for information which was
received by Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on 03/11/2009.

DECISION

I have decided to refuse access to the information you have requested
under the provisions of Section 8 of the Freedom of Information Act 2000
(the Act).

REASON FOR DECISION

Section 8 of the Act provides:

(1) In this Act any reference to a "request for information" is a
reference to such a request which-

(a) is in writing,
(b) states the name of the applicant and an address for correspondence,
and
(c) describes the information requested.

(2) For the purposes of subsection (1)(a), a request is to be
treated as made in writing where the text of the request-

(a) is transmitted by electronic means,
(b) is received in legible form, and
(c) is capable of being used for subsequent reference.

I am not required to process your request without information that can
later be referred to, as per Section 8 (1)(b). The information we require
is your full name.

To enable us to meet your request could you please resubmit your
application in accordance with the above requirements. If for any reason
you are unable to do so, please contact me for assistance or seek
assistance from any other available source.

We will consider your resubmitted request upon receipt as long as it meets
the requirements stated above. You will receive the information requested
within the statutory timescale of 20 working days as defined by the Act,
subject to the information not being exempt. If no response is received by
3 February 2010, this request will be closed.

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entitled Complaint Rights which explains how to make a complaint.

Should you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please
contact me via the address at the top of this letter, quoting the
reference number above.

Yours sincerely,

Kevin Simmons
Policy and Support Officer

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From: Graham

4 November 2009

Dear Sir or Madam,

My full name is Graham Ingleby, I trust this is now everything you
need in order to respond to my request

Yours faithfully,

Graham Ingleby

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Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

4 November 2009

Dear Mr Ingleby,

Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2009110000537
I write in connection with your request for information which was
received by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on 03/11/2009 and your
response to my e-mail of 3/11/2009. I note you seek access to the
following information:

"Dear Sir or Madam,

I noticed a Met Police officer at the No To Motorcycle Parking Fees
campaign on Saturday who was counting the number of motorcycles present .

Please can you provide the number of motorcycles counted at this
demonstration (31st October 2009) and also at any previous demonstrations
where your officers have taken a count ."

Your request will now be considered in accordance with the Freedom of
Information Act 2000 (the Act). You will receive a response within the
statutory timescale of 20 working days as defined by the Act, subject to
the information not being exempt or containing a reference to a third
party. In some circumstances the MPS may be unable to achieve this
deadline. If this is likely you will be informed and given a revised
time-scale at the earliest opportunity.

Some requests may also require either full or partial transference to
another public authority in order to answer your query in the fullest
possible way. Again, you will be informed if this is the case.

COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Your attention is drawn to the attached sheet, which details your right of
complaint.

Should you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please write
or contact Kevin Simmons via the e-mail address at the top of this
letter,quoting the reference number above.

Yours sincerely,

Kevin Simmons
Policy and Support Officer
COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Are you unhappy with how your request has been handled or do you think the
decision is incorrect?

You have the right to require the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to
review their decision.

Prior to lodging a formal complaint you are welcome and encouraged to
discuss the decision with the case officer that dealt with your request.

Ask to have the decision looked at again –

The quickest and easiest way to have the decision looked at again is to
telephone the case officer that is nominated at the end of your decision
letter.

That person will be able to discuss the decision, explain any issues and
assist with any problems.

Complaint

If you are dissatisfied with the handling procedures or the decision of
the MPS made under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act) regarding
access to information you can lodge a complaint with the MPS to have the
decision reviewed.

Complaints should be made in writing and addressed to:

FOI Complaint
Public Access Office
PO Box 57192
London
SW6 1SF

In all possible circumstances the MPS will aim to respond to your
complaint within 40 working days.
The Information Commissioner

After lodging a complaint with the MPS if you are still dissatisfied with
the decision you may make application to the Information Commissioner for
a decision on whether the request for information has been dealt with in
accordance with the requirements of the Act.

For information on how to make application to the Information Commissioner
please visit their website at www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk.
Alternatively, phone or write to:

Information Commissioner's Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
Phone: 01625 545 700

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Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

30 November 2009

Dear Mr Ingleby,

I write in connection with your request for information which was
received by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on 03/11/2009.
I note you seek access to the following information:

" I noticed a Met Police officer at the No To Motorcycle Parking Fees
campaign on Saturday who was counting the number of motorcycles present .

Please can you provide the number of motorcycles counted at this
demonstration (31st October 2009) and also at any previous demonstrations
where your officers have taken a count ."

EXTENT OF SEARCHES TO LOCATE INFORMATION

To locate the information relevant to your request searches were conducted
at our Westminster Events Office. The following figures were located on
the event registration forms.

RESULT OF SEARCHES
The searches located six records relevant to your request.

PLEASE NOTE: The exact count of motor cycles are not routinely recorded.
However, by way of assistance, I have provided you with some figures which
are only an estimated count of motor cycles.

DECISION

I have today decided to disclose the located information to you in full.

11/05/09 - 1000-1500 Motorcycles
09/06/09 - 700-800 Motorcycles
01/07/09 - 700-800 Motorcycles
16/08/09 - 800-900 Motorcycles
30/09/09 - 300-400 Motorcycles
31/10/09 - 400-500 Motorcycles

There were none recorded for November

COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Your attention is drawn to the attached sheet which details your right of
complaint.

Should you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please write
or contact Paul Switzer on telephone number 020 7321 8315 quoting the
reference number above.

Yours sincerely

Paul Switzer
Chief Inspector

In complying with their statutory duty under sections 1 and 11 of the
Freedom of Information Act 2000 to release the enclosed information, the
Metropolitan Police Service will not breach the Copyright, Designs and
Patents Act 1988. However, the rights of the copyright owner of the
enclosed information will continue to be protected by law. Applications
for the copyright owner's written permission to reproduce any part of the
attached information should be addressed to MPS Directorate of Legal
Services, 1st Floor (Victoria Block), New Scotland Yard, Victoria, London,
SW1H 0BG.
COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Are you unhappy with how your request has been handled or do you think the
decision is incorrect?

You have the right to require the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to
review their decision.

Prior to lodging a formal complaint you are welcome and encouraged to
discuss the decision with the case officer that dealt with your request.

Ask to have the decision looked at again –

The quickest and easiest way to have the decision looked at again is to
telephone the case officer that is nominated at the end of your decision
letter.

That person will be able to discuss the decision, explain any issues and
assist with any problems.

Complaint

If you are dissatisfied with the handling procedures or the decision of
the MPS made under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act) regarding
access to information you can lodge a complaint with the MPS to have the
decision reviewed.

Complaints should be made in writing and addressed to:

FOI Complaint
Public Access Office
PO Box 57192
London
SW6 1SF

In all possible circumstances the MPS will aim to respond to your
complaint within 40 working days.
The Information Commissioner

After lodging a complaint with the MPS if you are still dissatisfied with
the decision you may make application to the Information Commissioner for
a decision on whether the request for information has been dealt with in
accordance with the requirements of the Act.

For information on how to make application to the Information Commissioner
please visit their website at www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk.
Alternatively, phone or write to:

Information Commissioner's Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
Phone: 01625 545 700

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Richard Taylor left an annotation (30 November 2009)

The request was for the number of motorbikes counted by the police.

The answer appears to state how many motorbikes the organizers expected to attend.

These are not the same thing. (Though it was good of the police to supply the related information they had found)

Due to the commendably informative way the response has been phrased we can see that the extent of the search for information has been limited to the "Westminster Events Office". It appears the police have not looked for the information in the right place. They've not tried to find the notes taken by the officer counting the motorbikes on the date in question.

I think this was a perfectly reasonable request and hope Graham Ingleby asks the police to have another go at finding the information he's after.

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From: Graham

12 December 2009

Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS),

Thank you for your reply

However, I requested the number of motorcycles counted by your
officers, not the estimated numbers provided by the organisers when
registering the events

Please can you provide the actual counts as taken by your officers

Yours faithfully,

Graham

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Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

16 December 2009

Dear Graham,

Thank you for your e-mail.

I apologise if the response was not clear.

We only hold an estimated count of the motorcycles taken at the time.
These estimated figures were supplied to you in our response.

I have spoken to the officer in charge of policing the event; Chief
Inspector Paul Switzer who is more than happy for you to contact him
should you wish to discuss this further.

His contact details are as follows:
Chief Inspector Paul SWITZER

Tel: 0207 321 8824

If you are unhappy with the original response then please let me know
and I will get this logged as a review.

Yours sincerely,

John Hathaway
Information Manager
Metropolitan Police - City of Westminster Borough

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