Minutes of Public Panel meetings

Andrew Watson made this Freedom of Information request to Home Office

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From: Andrew Watson

27 January 2010

Dear Home Office,

This is a request under the Freedom of Information Act.

You have appointed members of the public to a "Public Panel"
related to the National Identity Scheme. Please send me:

1. The dates and locations of all meetings of the Public Panel
regional groups held to date.

2. The minutes of all meetings of the Public Panel regional groups
held to date.

Yours faithfully,

Andrew Watson

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From: IPSFOIs

2 February 2010


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Dear Mr Watson,

Thank you for your email of 28 January. Please find an acknowledgement
attached.

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Yours sincerely,

Freedom of Information Team

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From: IPSFOIs

25 February 2010


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Dear Mr Watson,

Thank you for your email of 28 January. Please find a response attached.

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Yours faithfully,

Freedom of Information Team

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From: Andrew Watson

23 March 2010

Dear Home Office,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of
Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Home Office's
handling of my FOI request 'Minutes of Public Panel meetings' (your
reference: FOICR 13892/10).

I requested the dates, locations and minutes of all meetings of the
Identity Cards Public Panel regional groups held to date. Your web
site implies that there have been two rounds of meetings, one in
October 2009, the second in January 2010. You refused to supply any
of the requested information, citing section 22(1) of the Freedom
of Information Act 2000 ("Information intended for future
publication"). You said that "it is our intention to publish the
information that you have requested by Spring of this year."

I am requesting an internal review on three grounds:

1. The exemption only applies if "it is reasonable in all the
circumstances that the information should be withheld from
disclosure until the date referred to". You are soliciting members
of the public to join these panels, and also soliciting questions
to be put to the panels. It is therefore unreasonable to withhold
minutes saying what the panels have already discussed from those
considering whether to join a panel, or whether to propose a
question.

2. Your rejection also fails the test of "reasonableness" on the
common definition of minutes as the rapidly-available record of the
proceedings of a meeting. It is now five months since the first
round of public panel meetings; if the minutes of these meetings
are intended to be published, it is not reasonable that they be so
long delayed until a completely arbitrary date.

3. Your rejection says "... it is our intention to publish the
information that you have requested by Spring of this year. The
minutes of all the meetings along with associated papers will be
published on the Public Panel pages of our external IPS website."
Spring began two days ago on 21st March, so your self-declared
deadline has expired, but the minutes have not yet appeared on the
web site.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is
available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/mi...

Yours faithfully,

Andrew Watson

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From: FOI Responses
Home Office

26 March 2010

Dear Mr Watson,

I am writing to inform you that we have received your request for an
internal review of this FOI case and that the deadline for my response is
the 21^st May 2010.

Many Thanks

Martin Riddle | Information Access Team
Information Management Service | Financial and Commercial Group
Ground Floor | Seacole Building | Home Office | 2 Marsham Street | London
SW1P 4DF
Switchboard Number: 0207 035 4848

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From: FOI Responses
Home Office

10 May 2010


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Dear Mr Watson

Please find attached our response and findings relating to your request
for an internal review of case 13892

Many Thanks

Martin Riddle | Information Access Team
Information Management Service | Financial and Commercial Group
Ground Floor | Seacole Building | Home Office | 2 Marsham Street | London
SW1P 4DF
Switchboard Number: 0207 035 4848

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Andrew Watson left an annotation (10 May 2010)

This request has now been successful, in that it has helped shake loose the requested minutes from IPS.

There are (at least) two questionable assertions about the FOI process in this reply that are worth noting:

1. That the minutes were already available via the IPS web page on the date I filed the review. They weren't - I checked on that day, before submitting the request.

2. That FOI responses are necessarily only available to the requester. Plainly, this isn't true for requests submitted via WhatDoTheyKnow. It's also common practice in many departments to put FOI responses on their own web sites at the same time as responding to the requester, precisely to try to spike the guns of anyone hoping to get exclusive access to the data they've requested.

However, there's no point in wasting civil service time and taxpayer's money by making these points in a reply to IPS, since we now have the minutes we wanted.

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