licensing conditions requiring patrons to carry photo identification

Heather Brooke made this Freedom of Information request to Southwark Borough Council

The request was partially successful.

From: Heather Brooke

21 May 2009

Dear Sir or Madam,
I am seeking details of your licensing requirements particularly
the requirement (as evidenced below) that venues require visitors
to bring and present photographic ID for presentation and scanning.
Specifically, I would like:

1. a listing of all licenses issued with this requirement
2. Copies of these licenses
3. the date the council introduced this requirement and by what
governance it was introduced.
4. Correspondence with the Metropolitan Police related to the
introduction of this requirement.

I would prefer to receive this information electronically, however
if that is not convenient I can accept hard copies but please
contact me first. If the decision is made to withhold some of this
data using exemptions in the Act, please inform me of that fact and
cite the exemptions used.

If some of this data is contentious please send the rest of the
data and contact me to discuss that which is problematic. I would
expect under your section 16 duty to provide advice and assistance
that should there be any problem with answering this request in
full you will contact me to discuss ways of making it manageable.

I would be grateful if you could confirm in writing that you have
received this letter, and I look forward to your response within
the statutory time limits. Thank you for your consideration of this
request.

Heather Brooke
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From and email received by SHUNT LOUNGE, 20 Stainer Street, London
SE1 9RL

Photo ID Scanning at the Shunt Lounge

It is a requirement of our license (issued by Southwark Council and
the Metropolitan Police) that we ask all visitors to the Lounge to
bring photo identification with them – you will be asked for this
ID upon entry into the building for scanning by our security
supervisors. This ID may be in the form of a driving licence or
passport; most other forms of photo ID will be acceptable such as
an NUS card, a citizen card, pensioners ID card, library cards or
photo ID which may be provided by your place of work.

If you do not like to carry important ID documents with you on a
night out it is acceptable to bring photocopies of your photo ID as
long as these photocopies are regognised by our ID scanning
machine. If they are not recignised you will not be able to gain
access to the Lounge.

So make sure, if it is a photo-copy that it is a clear one and most
importantly that you can see the photo clearly.

The information scanned into our computer is not shared with any
other agencies and will only used in the unlikely event of a
security alert in London Bridge Station or Shunt. All information
is kept in line with The Data Protection act. For more information
on this and the ID scan machine that we use follow this link.

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From: Heather Brooke

20 June 2009

Dear Sir or Madam,
My request is now overdue. When may I expect a reply.

Yours sincerely,

Heather Brooke

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From: Mcdonald, Marie
Southwark Borough Council

23 June 2009

Dear Ms Brooke

I apologise for the delay in getting back to you. Please see below
response to your request.

There are many premises in the borough that have a condition on their
licence that relates to the provision by customers of photographic ID.
As we have close on 1200 premises licensed under the Licensing Act 2003
and we are unable to generate an automatic report from our database on
this query our only option would be to undertake a manual examination of
each record to answer the question posed fully. This would require
employing a temporary agency staff to do so, the cost of which would not
be in excess of the required amount under the FOI Act.

However, full records of all our 2003 Act licensed premises are
available in the public domain on our on-line licensing register which
can be viewed by visiting http://licensing.southwarksites.com/ . Copies
of the individual licence requirements can be downloaded for printing
from the register.

1.The Council does not apply any standard conditions to licences other
than those mandatory conditions that are required by law.

2. Aside from the mandatory conditions, all other conditions are
premises specific determined on a case by case basis. Their inclusion on
the licence may be as a result of either
- the applicant voluntarily proposing the control in question as part of
their overall management plan set out within the operating schedule
submitted as part of their initial licence application; or
- the condition being accepted by the applicant during the course of the
council's conciliation process which brings applicants together with
those interested parties who raise representations against an
application and aims to achieve a negotiated conclusion to which all
parties agree; or
- in a few cases, the condition may be imposed by the council's
licensing committee having considered a contested licence application or
a licence review at a public hearing. In these cases the committee will
have considered the application on its own merits with all relevant
matters taken into account, and will have decided that it is appropriate
and necessary to impose the specific condition's) to achieve one or more
of the four licensing objectives. The objectives consist of the
prevention of crime and disorder; the prevention of nuisance; public
safety; and the protection of children from harm. The council's powers
to set conditions arise from sections 21 and 52 of the 2003 Act.

In the main, licences that have requirements around the production of
photographic ID, do so as a consequence of considerations around
under-age sales of alcohol. This applies in the cases of many of our on
and off licensed premises.

There are a few venues, however, which have a condition regarding
computer based identification entry systems (CBIES) which work on the
basis of photographic ID recognition. As far as I am aware, those
premises that do have such a condition are:

1. Hypnotic, 75-79 Norwood Road, SE24
2. SEOne Club, 39-41 St Thomas Street, SE1 3. Smoke Club, Arches 6-11
Bermondsey Street, SE1 4. Shunt, Stainer Street, SE1 5. D'Eclipse Bar &
Restaurant, 57-59 Camberwell Road, SE5

Several other premises in the borough have such equipment installed, but
without such being required by way of licence condition.

I can confirm that Southwark Council does not store or use information
captured by this in any way. Furthermore, the venues concerned do not
automatically share this information with any party, but it is
understood that attendance information would be shared in the event of
an incident that required police investigation.

Marie McDonald
Departmental Records Manager
Southwark Council
Environment and Housing Department
Directors Office
160 Tooley Street
London
SE1 2TZ

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From: Heather Brooke

3 July 2009

Dear Mcdonald, Marie,
Dear Ms McDonald,
While I can well believe the council's IT competancy prevents you
from running this relatively simple query, I note that you have not
addressed the bulk of my FOI request.

Specifically:
3. the date the council introduced this
requirement and by what governance it was introduced.
4.Correspondence with the Metropolitan Police related to the
introduction of this requirement.

I would be grateful if you could respond to this part of my
request. In addition, could you please provide me with a list of
fields in your licensing database so I can ensure that there is no
possible way for you to run the first part of my query.

Regards,
Heather

Yours sincerely,

Heather Brooke

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From: Mcdonald, Marie
Southwark Borough Council

3 July 2009

Thank you for your email.
I am away from the office until Friday 3th July 2009. If your email is
concerning FOI,DPA or EIR please resend it to [Southwark Borough Council request email]

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From: Mcdonald, Marie
Southwark Borough Council

21 July 2009

Dear Ms Brooke

In response to your request, the Business Unit in question has stated

"The Council have not introduced this requirement therefore there is no
date of introduction or legislation involved.

As the Council have never considered introducing this requirement there is
no correspondence with the Police on the matter.

A list of fields of the Council's database would probably run into the
thousands.

As previously explained the information you request is already in the
public domain, these conditions are not standard but individual to a
premises and can be individually worded, as such they are not searchable
with any accuracy. Members of the public can view licence conditions on
the Council's online register and look for any conditions that may relate
to photo ID"

Regards

Marie McDonald
Departmental Records Manager
Southwark Council
Environment and Housing Department
Directors Office
160 Tooley Street
London
SE1 2TZ
(Tele: 0207 525 5884

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Neil left an annotation (25 July 2009)

I highly doubt the fields in the licensing database will total the thousands.

They can print out a 'data dictionary' of the tables in the database, and the associated fields.

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