Legal Staff Fraternising + Abusing Mooting To pre-determine Case Outcomes?

Liz R (Account suspended) made this Freedom of Information request to Ministry of Justice

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From: Liz R (Account suspended)

5 January 2010

Dear Ministry of Justice,

During approx. 16 years of sad and distressing experience with
Family Courts, both winning and losing cases, I noticed the
practice of the solicitors of all parties, as well as CAFCASS
social workers, speaking to and lunching with judges to arrange how
long cases would take, and what their outcome would be and then not
informing clients of their interactions with all the parties
*excluding the parents*-and also any one of the solicitors (or
more) were chosen to write the judges own judgement for the judge
-in many cases- before it was sent to any client- this is regular
practice- my FOI request is -is any of that legal?

If so which parts please and how many times have court/legal staff
been found guilty of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice
since January 1st 1997 and January 5th 2010?

Also -what steps (if any) are taken to prevent the 'spinning out'
of cases by the barristers and solicitors using wasteful 'mooting'
(that they boast about online) that cause cash for them but
distress for children and others - to draw out these cases
(sometimes over many months of not years) that could otherwise -if
fact be presented as evidence and not dismissed too easily by
overuse of discretionary power - be over much quicker and would be
more appropriate and legal -if taking into account the Paramount
Interest of the Child (core tenet of the Childrens'' Act?)

Making cases faster in the Family Courts would be adhering to that
law as we would like it to be and if fact were presented and not
hearsay?

Does excess/over-mooting not go against all that British justice
has stood for - not obfuscating fact but presenting it?

How many people in the UK are imprisoned without trial whom are not
accused of terrorism?

This spinning or over-mooting surely violates various maxims of law
especially 'veritas nimium altercando amittitur'‏ (BY TOO MUCH
ALTERCATION, THE TRUTH IS LOST (maxim of law))?

Yours faithfully,

Elizabeth R

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Freedom of Information Request FOI/62886/09 and FOI/62887/09

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Dear Ms R,

SUBJECT: Freedom of Information Request

Thank you for your correspondence of January 5, 2010. Part of your
correspondence will not be dealt with under the Freedom of Information
Act 2000 (FOIA), but has been sent to the appropriate business area
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Information Act, these are:

1 - " ... how many times have court/legal staff been found guilty of
conspiracy to pervert the course of justice since January 1st 1997 and
January 5th 2010?"

2 - "How many people in the UK are imprisoned without trial whom are
not accused of terrorism?"

The first question has reference FOI/62886/10 and is being handled by
Roger Davis (0203 334 5493) and the second question has reference
FOI/62887/10 and is being handled by Katharine Banaghan (0203 334 5152)

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From: Carradine, Fay
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29 January 2010

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Dear Ms R,

Please find attached response to your recent request made under the
Freedom of Information Act.
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From: Banaghan, Katharine
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2 February 2010

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Dear Ms R

Please find attached correspondence in relation to FOI request
reference 62887.

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From: Liz R (Account suspended)

2 February 2010

Dear Banaghan, Katharine,

Thank you for this answer and your kind guidance, much appreciated.

To clarify;

How many people have been imprisoned in Family Law courts (for any
reason) since January 1st 2001, that is courts without juries, I
believe they are known as 'public' family courts as opposed to
divorce courts which are far more open. So if you understand this,
I repeat I am referring to Public Family Law/Courts.

Also; Which Judges imprisoned people in those courts please?

I heard of one grandparent imprisoned for sending a grandchild a
Birthday card.

I know of another woman who was threatened with prison if she
should catch sight of her child accidentally in the street so is in
effect imprisoned in her own home.

I know of one mother who was ordered to keep her curtains shut in
case her child should look inside his mothers home should he walk
past, which in effect imprisons her although records for that type
of imprisonment are not referred to here.

Yours sincerely,

Liz R

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From: Liz R (Account suspended)

2 February 2010

Dear Ministry of Justice,

sorry- replied to wrong department (!) this request is to ask;

How many legal staff have been charged OR convicted of conspiracy
to pervert the course of justice since January 1st 1997 and January
5th 2010?

Yours sincerely,

Liz R

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From: Liz R (Account suspended)

2 February 2010

Dear Ministry of Justice,

sorry to bother you, just wanted to include the email prior to the
penultimate one to conclude the request/s
thank you

Yours sincerely,

Liz R

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Liz R (Account suspended) left an annotation ( 2 February 2010)

A solicitor known in 2000 as Rosemary Parratt (Aaronson and Co) informed me that it was usual practice to determine case out comes and for people to chat to (when I caught her cchatting to a judge) lunch with judges= this is how they decide on time-limits for cases. In my experience they drag out cases for days if not longer, of people who have either very poor or no legal advice as they then play with the 'easy' defendant, terrorising them, subtracting millions from the Taxpayer via the Legal Services Commission. Another lawyer I went to, Paul Rumley of Withyking in Swindon (whom after one year claiming services of employ had done nothing but receive some medical records)harassed me , he had previously informed me he was on the legal aid board of his area and would ensure funding for the case I had, later he harassed me via email, refusing to stop writing to me when I was ill, I complained but he was naturally protected by his status and his firm, and the Law Society is so incestuous, as was the solicitors complaints procedure, it was hopeless trying to gain any type of justice at all, the law in the UK is now about obfuscation0n and money for the legal profession, it is not about justice, it is about backing up the last judges decision and keeping it all in the family - it is gutless and cowardly and nothing at all to do with justice - not in the Public Family Courts in any event.

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4 February 2010

Freedom of Information Request FOI/63331/10

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04-FEB-10 Our Ref:FOI/63331/10

Dear Ms R,

SUBJECT: Freedom of Information Request

Thank you for your correspondence of February 2, 2010, in which you
asked how many legal staff have been charged or convicted of
conspiracy to pervert the course of justice between January 1st 1997 and
January 5th 2010 under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA) from
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5 February 2010

Freedom of Information Request FOI/63365/10

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Dear Ms R,

SUBJECT: Freedom of Information Request

Thank you for your correspondence of February 2, 2010, in which you
asked for information relating to imprisonment at Family Law Courts
under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA) from the Ministry of
Justice (MoJ).

You will receive a response from us by March 3, 2010. Your request has
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2 March 2010

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2 March 2010

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Dear Ms R,

Thank you for your e.mail below, which has been passed to me for reply.
Please find attached our response.

Many thanks.

Sharon.

Sharon Chambers
Her Majesty's Courts Service / Operations and Performance Directorate -
Supporting our people, courts & processes

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Dear Sir/Madam

Thank you for your email below.

Your email was sent to the team that deal with Freedom of Information
requests. That team will be responding to you on the points that they
can.

We are responding to the other contents of your email. Apologies for the
delay in responding to your email which was passed onto this Unit.

You mention that Solicitors, Cafcass and Social Workers lunch with Judges
to arange how long cases will take and Solicitors write judgment for the
Judge. If you have proof of this I can suggest that you report this to the
appropriate department that govern those individuals. You also mention
information that barristers and solicitors boast about online and I can
only suggest again that you report this.

This is the link for information about making a complaint in relation to a
solicitor or barrister.

[1]http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/choosingand...

We cannot comment on Judges and their decisions as Judges are independent
of the court and the administration. If the Judge has made a decision in
a court case that you are not happy with the only thing that you can do is
to appeal the decision.

We are unable to assist you further with the rest of the contents of
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From: Liz R (Account suspended)

11 March 2010

Dear Customer Services (CSHQ),

would it help if I asked how many staff have been
dismissed since July 2005 to date (with reason/s if you are able to
give them?)

Thank you for your kind help.

Yours sincerely,

Liz R

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From: Data Access & Compliance Unit
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17 March 2010

Freedom of Information Request FOI/64198/10

Data Access & Compliance Unit
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17-MAR-10 Our Ref:FOI/64198/10

Dear Ms R,

SUBJECT: Freedom of Information Request

We have been passed your correspondence of March 11, 2010, in which you
asked for information regarding how many HMCS staff have been
dismissed under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA) from the
Ministry of Justice (MoJ).

You will receive a response from us by April 12, 2010. Your request has
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15 April 2010

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Liz

Please find attached response to your FOI request.

Kind regards

Claire Green
HR Planning Officer & KILO for Group HR
HR Secretariat Team
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