Joint Council meetings minutes

Cassidy, J made this Freedom of Information request to Kent County Council

Waiting for an internal review by Kent County Council of their handling of this request.

From: Cassidy, J

15 May 2009

Dear Sir or Madam,

Can you please email me an electronic copy of the following
information:

1) Copies of all the Meetings Minutes held, of the 'Joint Councils'
(JC) (see notes below) since it's inception. A 20 February 08 JC
meeting was held in Oxford and the Kent County Council
representatives had been:

Peter Gilroy
Paul Carter

2) Copies of all the Meetings Minutes held, of the ADASS/ADCS
Asylum Task Force since it's inception, for which Kent Council
Council is represented at.

Notes:

References to Joint Councils:

a. Joint Councils report:

Unaccompanied care leavers and asylum seekers report
http://www.kent.gov.uk/publications/coun...

b. Joint Council members:

Birmingham City Council

Hounslow Council

London Borough of Hillingdon

London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham

Kent County Council

Manchester City Council

Oxfordshire County Council

Solihull Metropolitan Borough Council

West Sussex County Council

c. extract
"1.1 Joint Council Meeting
The joint council are doing two things:
• Raising concerns about the framework of legislation in regard to
UASC.
• Looking at practical impacts on Local Authorities, particularly
in terms of
financial risk"

http://www.islington.gov.uk/Downloadable...

: Your correspondence

Please ensure that any of your general correspondence,
acknowledgements or holding letters etc are included or
cut-and-pasted into the body of the email messages, using plain
text, rather than as attachments. As this will mean your
correspondence is much easier to access, read and respond to.

: Accessibility:

When providing any information disclosures please provide it in the
original unrestricted format such as:

a. MS Word .doc or Rich Text Text .rtf format or equivalent
(suitable for disclosure of email messages)

b.Spreadsheets in MS Excel .xls format or equivalent

c.Presentations in MS Powerpoint .ppt format or equivalent

or converted to Portable Document Format (PDF), ONLY if none of the
above formats are available

if you only have a paper version (hard copy) available, please
provide a Digital Photo Copier Scanned version in PDF format. If
you do provide disclosures in PDF from a Digital Photo Copier Scan,
please state that you have done so because no other format, such as
a, b or c above, are available.

If you need to redact text elements of any disclosure can you
please ensure that the rest of text based information remains
accessible to a Screen Reader.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_reader>

Please ensure any electronic disclosures are absolutely free of any
Document limitations or controls, such as making them Read-only,
Encrypted or Password restricted, as this is likely to render them
less usable on a general basis and more specifically, inaccessible
to Assistive Technology.

Please do not send any information in compilation archive formats,
such as .zip.

Providing correspondence and disclosed information via these means
will help ensure that text based information is accessible for use
with a Screen Reader or a Magnifier for none text based information
and will prevent any further and separate representations under the
Disability Discrimination Act. If you are unable to meet these
reasonably practicable accessibility requests please state why and
provide a copy of any internal information, such as a policy relied
upon that would explain such a decision.

Yours faithfully,

Cassidy, J

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From: Cassidy, J

15 May 2009

Dear Sir or Madam,

With regards requests 1) and 2) please also email me an electronic
copy of any agendas, notes, memos, records, reports and briefings
held or other information distributed or created in connection with
the work and meetings of the Joint Councils and ADCS/ADASS
meetings.

Yours sincerely,

Cassidy, J

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Kent County Council

18 May 2009

Dear J Cassidy

Thank you for your email.

I acknowledge your request for information under the Freedom of
Information Act 2000. Assuming we hold this information, I will endeavour
to supply the data to you as soon as possible but no later than 15th June
2009 (20 working days from date of receipt).

I will advise you as soon as possible if we do not hold this information
or if there are exemptions to be considered and/or any costs for providing
the information. Please quote our reference - FOI/09/541 - in any
communication regarding this particular request.

Best regards

Corporate Access to Information Team, Chief Executive's Department
Kent County Council, Legal & Democratic Services, Room 1.94, Sessions
House, County Hall, Maidstone. ME14 1XQ.
Tel: 01622 696265 or 01622 694261 - Fax: 01622 694383
[1]http://www.kent.gov.uk/council-and-democ...

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Kent County Council

16 June 2009


Attachment NRPF Financial Report.pdf
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Attachment Agenda ADASS ADCS Asylum Taskforce 10 November 2008.pdf
10K Download View as HTML

Attachment Attendance List 10 November.pdf
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Attachment Agenda ADASS ADCS Asylum Taskforce 12th Feb 2009.pdf
26K Download View as HTML

Attachment ADSS ASYLUM TASK FORCE TORs Revised.pdf
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Dear J Cassidy

Thank you for your request for information

Your request for minutes has been discussed with other Authorities
represented at the Joint Council meetings, and the conclusion reached is
that disclosure would discourage member Authorities from free and frank
discussion, and so undermine the viability of this strategic
forum. Accordingly, it is the opinion of Kent County Council's Monitoring
Officer that this information should be withheld under Section 36 of the
Freedom of Information Act, as disclosure is likely to prejudice the
effective conduct of public affairs.

Section 36 requires consideration of where the public interest lies, and
it is KCC's opinion that it would not be in the best interests of the
public for this forum to be undermined by the reluctance of member
Authorities' representatives to engage in free and frank discussion.
Furthermore, it is felt that disclosure of data provided by
individual Authorities may be detrimental to community
relations, particularly in view of the vulnerable nature of UASC
(unaccompanied minors) and other BME groups.

In addition to the meeting minutes already provided for ADASS/ADCS Asylum
Task Force under your previous FOI request (reference FOI/09/272 )
please find attached agendas, attendance list, terms of reference and 'No
Recourse to Public Funds: Financial Implications for Local Authorities'
which can also be found at the attached link to the ADASS website with
further key documents
[1]http://www.adass.org.uk/index.php?option...

If you disagree with this stance, you can appeal direct the Information
Commissioner, who oversees compliance with the Freedom of Information Act
2000. This is because there is no-one sufficiently senior within the
Authority that could conduct an independent internal review of this
decision which was made at the highest level. Details of what you need to
do, should you wish to pursue this course of action, are available from
the Information Commissioner's website .
[2]http://www.ico.gov.uk/complaints/freedom...

Best regards

Caroline Dodge
Corporate Access to Information Coordinator, Chief Executive's Department
Kent County Council, Legal & Democratic Services, Room 1.94, Sessions
House, County Hall, Maidstone. ME14 1XQ.
Tel: 01622 221652 - Fax: 01622 694383
[3]http://www.kent.gov.uk/council-and-democ...

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From: Cassidy, J

16 June 2009

Dear Sir or Madam,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of
Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Kent County Council's
handling of my FOI request 'Joint Council meetings minutes'.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is
available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/jo...

Yours sincerely,

Cassidy, J

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Kent County Council

18 June 2009


Attachment FOI 09 541 RESPONSE TO FOI REQUEST RECEIVED 15th MAY 2009.html
16K Download

Attachment NRPF Financial Report.pdf
84K Download View as HTML

Attachment Agenda ADASS ADCS Asylum Taskforce 10 November 2008.pdf
10K Download View as HTML

Attachment Attendance List 10 November.pdf
8K Download View as HTML

Attachment Agenda ADASS ADCS Asylum Taskforce 12th Feb 2009.pdf
26K Download View as HTML

Attachment ADSS ASYLUM TASK FORCE TORs Revised.pdf
18K Download View as HTML


Dear J Cassidy

Thank you for your email.

I am sorry you are unhappy with the Council's response to your request for
information, specifically the use of the prejudice to the effective
conduct of public affairs exemption under section 36 of the Freedom of
Information Act to withhold minutes of the "Joint Councils" meetings.

Given that all members of staff that are qualified to undertake internal
reviews under FOIA are subordinate to the Director of Law & Governance
(KCC's Monitoring Officer) who invoked this exemption, and are therefore
unable to conduct an independent and impartial review of your request, you
can appeal directly to the Information Commissioner, as I advised in my
original reply (copy attached). The Information Commissioner will
consider your complaint given these circumstances, even though an internal
review has not been conducted. Details of what you need to do, should you
wish to pursue this course of action, are available from the Information
Commissioner's website
[1]http://www.ico.gov.uk/complaints/freedom....

Best regards
Caroline Dodge
Corporate Access to Information Coordinator, Chief Executive's Department
Kent County Council, Legal & Democratic Services, Room 1.94, Sessions
House, County Hall, Maidstone. ME14 1XQ.
Tel: 01622 221652 - Fax: 01622 694383
[2]http://www.kent.gov.uk/council-and-democ...

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From: Cassidy, J

22 June 2009

Dear Sir or Madam,

Thank you for the attached documents you have emailed to me.
However, you have converted them to PDF from Word, can you please
send them to me in the original format, as I requested in my
original email, as quoted below:

": Accessibility:

When providing any information disclosures please provide it in the
original unrestricted format such as:

a. MS Word .doc or Rich Text Text .rtf format or equivalent
(suitable for disclosure of email messages)

b.Spreadsheets in MS Excel .xls format or equivalent

c.Presentations in MS Powerpoint .ppt format or equivalent

or converted to Portable Document Format (PDF), ONLY if none of the
above formats are available

...Providing correspondence and disclosed information via these
means
will help ensure that text based information is accessible for use
with a Screen Reader or a Magnifier for none text based information
and will prevent any further and separate representations under the
Disability Discrimination Act. If you are unable to meet these
reasonably practicable accessibility requests please state why and
provide a copy of any internal information, such as a policy relied
upon that would explain such a decision."
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/jo...

Yours sincerely,

Cassidy, J

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Kent County Council

25 June 2009


Attachment FOI 09 541 RESPONSE TO FOI REQUEST RECEIVED 15th MAY 2009.html
16K Download

Attachment NRPF Financial Report.pdf
84K Download View as HTML

Attachment Agenda ADASS ADCS Asylum Taskforce 10 November 2008.pdf
10K Download View as HTML

Attachment Attendance List 10 November.pdf
8K Download View as HTML

Attachment Agenda ADASS ADCS Asylum Taskforce 12th Feb 2009.pdf
26K Download View as HTML

Attachment ADSS ASYLUM TASK FORCE TORs Revised.pdf
18K Download View as HTML


Dear J Cassidy

If you want copies of the documents provided 16th June (see attached) in
their original format, you will need to approach the local authority that
generated them. I would remind you that the Freedom of Information Act
2000 provides you with a right of access to information, not necessarily
the original documents that the information you requested is contained
within.

The Asylum Taskforce agendas for 10/11/08 & 12/2/09 and the attendance
list were issued by the London Borough of Hillingdon and the Asylum
Taskforce TOR was issued by Birmingham City Council.

The NRPF Financial Report is a publicly available document so is only held
in pdf format.

If you remain unhappy, you can appeal direct the Information Commissioner,
who oversees compliance with the Freedom of Information Act 2000. This is
because there is no-one sufficiently senior within the Authority that
could conduct an independent internal review of the original request.
Details of what you need to do, should you wish to pursue this course of
action, are available from the Information Commissioner's website .
[1]http://www.ico.gov.uk/complaints/freedom...

Best regards

Caroline Dodge
Corporate Access to Information Coordinator, Chief Executive's Department
Kent County Council, Legal & Democratic Services, Room 1.94, Sessions
House, County Hall, Maidstone. ME14 1XQ.
Tel: 01622 221652 - Fax: 01622 694383
[2]http://www.kent.gov.uk/council-and-democ...

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From: Cassidy, J

25 June 2009

Dear Sir or Madam,

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I am very puzzled by the
attitude you are conveying with this request, concerning the
accessibility quality of the disclosures you have made. Please
advise whether Disability Discrimination Act concerns do or do not
apply to Kent County Council? Please advise me on whether or not
you have also considered my request under Section 11 of the Freedom
of Information
Act 2000?

Would it not have just been a courtesy not to have converted
documents you hold from MS Word to PDF. For instance the document
you sent me:

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/12...

was actually converted from MS Word to PDF on 16/06/09. If you care
to look in the Document properties meta data you will see you
converted this document to PDF using Adobe PDFMaker 7.0.5 for Word
at 10:31am

As required by Section 11 I did make my Means of communication
needs obvious in my original email, as quoted below:

": Accessibility:

When providing any information disclosures please provide it in the
original unrestricted format such as:

a. MS Word .doc or Rich Text Text .rtf format or equivalent
(suitable for disclosure of email messages)

b.Spreadsheets in MS Excel .xls format or equivalent

c.Presentations in MS Powerpoint .ppt format or equivalent

or converted to Portable Document Format (PDF), ONLY if none of the
above formats are available

if you only have a paper version (hard copy) available, please
provide a Digital Photo Copier Scanned version in PDF format. If
you do provide disclosures in PDF from a Digital Photo Copier Scan,
please state that you have done so because no other format, such as
a, b or c above, are available.

If you need to redact text elements of any disclosure can you
please ensure that the rest of text based information remains
accessible to a Screen Reader.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_reader>

Please ensure any electronic disclosures are absolutely free of any
Document limitations or controls, such as making them Read-only,
Encrypted or Password restricted, as this is likely to render them
less usable on a general basis and more specifically, inaccessible
to Assistive Technology.

Please do not send any information in compilation archive formats,
such as .zip.

Providing correspondence and disclosed information via these means
will help ensure that text based information is accessible for use
with a Screen Reader or a Magnifier for none text based information
and will prevent any further and separate representations under the
Disability Discrimination Act. If you are unable to meet these
reasonably practicable accessibility requests please state why and
provide a copy of any internal information, such as a policy relied
upon that would explain such a decision."
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/jo...
15 May 2009

Yours sincerely,

Cassidy, J

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From: Cassidy, J

25 June 2009

Dear Sir or Madam,

To help in your response, I confirm you have converted the
following documents from MS Word to PDF on the 16/06/09:

Agenda ADASS - ADCS Asylum Taskforce - 10 November 2008.pdf

Attachment Attendance List 10 November.pdf

Agenda ADASS - ADCS Asylum Taskforce - 12th Feb 2009.pdf

ADSS ASYLUM TASK FORCE TORs- Revised.pdf

Please resend me the above list of documents in the MS Word format
you do hold them in.

Yours sincerely,

Cassidy, J

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Anyone:
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