Is it the job of Dyfed Powys Police to "assist" bailiffs and ignore crime?

angie of the elder family made this Freedom of Information request to Dyfed Powys Police

The request was refused by Dyfed Powys Police.

From: angie of the elder family

22 June 2009

Dear Sir or Madam,

under the freedom is information Act I would like answers to the
following questions;

1) If a 999 call is placed, and it is gained from the caller that a
bailiff is present at the property, is that an automatic deranking
of emergency status allowing justification for extending response
times to more 25 minutes? If so please provide a written copy of
procedure that indicates that this is so.

2) Are certified bailliffs appointed by the courts obliged to show
ID when requested to do so , Is it an offence if they refuse to
identify themselves? If withholding this information is justifiable
please provide written evidence.

3)Are certified bailiffs appointed by the courts obligated to show
or supply a copy of a warrant or liability order that they are
acting on when requested to do so. If no, please provide a copy of
written evidence stating that this is the case.

4)are bailiffs entitled by law to seize goods which have been
clearly defined as belonging to children? please provide evidence
of this

5)) Are dyfed Powys Police duty bound to prevent or restrict the
supply or viewing, of a warrant that bailiffs are intending to act
on, again please provide written confirmation of the authority that
instructs them to do that

6)) Is a blanket warrant that is not specifically directed at a
singly identified human being legally and lawfully binding?

7)) I was told by PC Pearson 158, and i have it on tape, whilst in
attendance at my property that "but legally we have to assist the
bailliffs in removing some of the property." i was under the
impression the police role at a property where bailiffs are in
attendance was to prevent a breach of the peace from occurring? can
you confirm which party is correct in their thinking? please
provide the written evidence that police officers are "legally
obliged to assist bailiffs to removed property"

8) Is part of the police role whilst at the scene of a crime, to
express personal opinion and assumption, dismiss and disregard
evidence and act on fabrication? And based on personal opinion are
they obliged to make unfounded accusations? please provide evidence

9) If a demand is made of an officer to investigate a serious
complaint, and that complaint is made without ill will , frivolity
or vexation, are they obliged to do so? If not please provide
written evidence that this is the case

10) If a formal complaint is raised verbally, are officers duty
bound to act, if not please provide us with written evidence that
says they are not obliged to act

11) Are dyed Powys Police obliged to note when someone states
catgorically that they are acting under protest and duress or are
they at liberty to ignore such a response and disregard the
comments as irrelevant? please show evidence

12) if an officer of Dyfed Powys police fails to prevent a crime
taking place, Is it a criminal offence for the same officer to
allow an offence to continue? is this or is this not classed as a
dereliction of duty?

13) have all of dyfed powys police sworn an oath of office to serve
which states, " with fairness, integrity, diligence and
impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according
equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my
power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all
offences against people and property"? in which case what are the
consequence of breaching that oath

14) Does visual bruising after being grabbed by a third person
(against your will and without your consent) constitute "actual"
bodily harm? and what are the penalties for committing such an act?

15) If consent has previously been revoked, withdrawn, removed and
denied and one has lawfully claimed common law jurisdiction, do
dyfed powys police have the authority to claim jurisdiction over a
human being ( as opposed to over the legal fiction)?

16) Are dyfed powys Police obliged to have any knowledge of the
laws they are enforcing? if so in what areas?

17) Is the Independent Police Complaints Commission obliged to act
on all complaints or are they selective about supplying reposes? if
so within what boundaries and time limits?

18) Are bailiffs legally or lawfully restricted to demanding cash
only for payments?

please answer all questions in full under penalty of perjury

Angie: of the Elder family, without prejudice and without ill will,
frivolity of veaxtion

Angie of the elder family

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Dyfed Powys Police

3 July 2009


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From: FOI
Sent: 30 June 2009 11:01
To: [email address]
Subject: FOI Ref 424/2009

Dear Angie

Reference Number: 424/2009

I write in connection with your e-mail dated the 22 June 2009 and received
on that date concerning the enquiry is respect issue of bailiffs attending
an address and other issues.

Dyfed Powys Police is not required to respond to your enquiry as it has
been considered that it does not fall within the meaning of a request as
identified within Section 8 (Request for information) of the Freedom of
Information Act 2000 (The Act). This decision has been made because you
have not included a surname to which we can respond. In coming to this
decision Dyfed Powys Police has taken due cognisance to the Information
Commissioner's Office guidance document "Valid request - name and address
for correspondence".

The guidance document is available via the Information Commissioner's
Office website at the following hyperlink:

[1]"Valid request - name and address for correspondence"

The document provides guidance on what constitutes a real name and gives
examples of what the Information Commissioner's Office believes satisfies
the requirements of the Act. Therefore at this time and without the
provision of a surname Dyfed Powys Police is not in a position to process
your enquiry as it is considered that it is not a valid request.
Therefore in accordance with the Freedom of Information Act 2000 this
e-mail acts as a refusal notice. Should you wish to re-submit your
enquiry to include a surname Dyfed Powys Police will then consider your
request for information under the Act.

It should be noted that a disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act
2000 is considered as being a disclosure to the World at large; as a
result there are exemptions within the Act that can prevent the disclosure
of information. Such exemptions include, but are not limited to, Section
30 (Investigations) and Section 40 (Personal Information). Requests for
personal information should be made under Section 7 of the Data Protection
Act 1998. Requests for personal information should be made via a subject
access form. Payment of a £10.00 fee and proof of identification must
accompany a completed application form. The form can be downloaded from
the Dyfed Powys Police website @

[2]www.dyfed-powys.police.uk/en/information/dataprotection/

Further information in respect of both the Freedom of Information Act 2000
and the Data Protection Act 1998 can be found on the Information
Commissioner's Office website at [3]www.ico.gov.uk.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your interest in
Dyfed Powys Police. Please do not hesitate to contact me should you wish
to discuss this matter further.

Yours sincerely

Debby Jones LLM MBA

Pennaeth Rhyddid Gwybodaeth/Head of FOI

Uned Rhyddid Gwybodaeth/Freedom of Information Unit

Pencadlys yr Heddlu/Police Headquarters

Caerfyrddin/Carmarthen

Ffon/Tel: 0845 330 2000 est/ext 23442

Llinell Uniongyrchol/Direct Line: 01267 226596

[4][Dyfed Powys Police request email]

Dyfed Powys Police provides you the right to request a re-examination of your
case under its review procedure (copy enclosed). If you decide to request such a
review and having followed the Force's full process you are still dissatisfied,
then you have the right to direct your comments to the Information Commissioner
who will give it consideration.

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From: angie of the elder family

5 July 2009

Dear Debby of the Jones Family,

Request for Clarification.

Thank you very much for taking the time to respond, it is
appreciated, however, I require clarification of a couple of points
you have made.
I have read and duly noted your response and I have read and noted
the content in the FOIA to which you refer, namely section 8.

I would like to draw your attention in particular to section 8
(1)(b) of the act which refers to pseudonyms and thereafter it
states:
“The definition of “applicant” in section 84 of the FOIA adds
weight to this as the phrase in section 8(1)(b) should be read as “
the name of the person making the request”. This also suggests that
the use of a false or fictitious name is not acceptable.”

Now, this is the area for which I need clarification, as my
understanding is that a “person” is a legal fiction, It is the
corporate body that is created upon registering the birth of a
child. The “person” or persona is the legal entity that is enforced
upon a human being for the purposes of applying statutes. It is a
process that exists and is instituted without our knowledge and
consent. The use of English honorific’s such as Dr. Mr. Miss. Mrs
etc creates title and name for the person and it is this that
distinguishes the person from the human being. To summarize
“title”, “name”, "surname", and “person” are all fictitious, any
name created in this way is a pseudonym by definition. The
statement from the FOIA is completely contradictory in itself, as
to suggest that a “false or fictitious” name is not acceptable
renders that the request for the name of the “person” null and void
anyway.

The FOIA clearly defines under “what constitutes a name?”, despite
incorrectly maintaining that “title and/or first name with surname
satisfies the requirement for provision of a real name” that “In
most cases, it will be reasonable for a real name to comprise a
name by which the person making the request is widely known and/or
is regularly used by that person and which is not an obvious
pseudonym or fictitious name.
I am commonly known as Angie of the Elder Family , that is as a
child I was called Angie by parents and peers, I answered to Angie,
I was known as Angie. I was not commonly called Mr, Miss, Mrs or Dr
and Elder is the family into which I married, therefore I am now of
the family Elder ie part of the Elder family. Angie: Elder for
short if you like, this is how I am distinguished from any other
human being although there are many others that share the same
moniker or given name. Angie of the Elder family refers to the
Human Being that I am.

I did not chose to give the fictitious title and name / surname
that that creates the legal fiction commonly known as a person, as
the Act states that those making a FOI request using a false or
fictitious name affords the request invalid.

Furthermore, that act also states ” In accordance with the spirit
and purpose of the FOIA, the default position of a public authority
should be to accept the name provided by the applicant unless there
is good reason to enquire further about the applicant’s name, as
indicated above.
Even when an obvious pseudonym has been used, as good practice a
public authority should still consider the request even though
technically it can be regarded as invalid. This approach could be
adopted in cases where identity is not relevant to the request and,
in view of the general principle within the FOIA of disclosure to
the world at large, where the authority is content to disclose the
information.” I would like to point out that, although no pseudonym
was used, my questions were generalised and so no personal
information was requested therefore pseudonym or not and bearing in
mind that “as good practice a public authority should still
consider the request”, these are all perfectly valid requests that
I still require answers to.

In conclusion it seems to me that a double standard is in place
whereby fictions and falsehoods are acceptable as long as it serves
the purpose of maintaining applicableness of statutes and the
ability to enforce such, as opposed to honesty, sincerity ,
truthfulness and integrity that a true family name relays. Your
claim of refusal due to lack of surname is unfounded, unacceptable
an inconsequential and basically befits the boundaries that define
vexation, therefore I would like the questions asked to be answered
in substance.

As you have not accepted Angie: of the Elder family as being my
name, it seems you have made a clear distinction between what i am
commonly called and the ficititious legal title to which you claim
is needed for a response to be made thereby i conclude that my
understanding is correct and that two separate identites are
catalogued without disclosure upon registering the birth of a human
being. May I suggest that you read my Notice of Understanding and
Intent and Claim of Right, a signed, sealed, notarised, copy of
which was sent to Cheif SuperIntendent Keith Jones by registered
post in March 2009 and which still remains undisputed and
uncontested, hence it has gained lawful estoppel and is now a
legally perfected instrument, for a better understanding as to why
lateer does not apply to me.

you sincerely without ill will , frivolity, vexation or prejudice
Angie: of the Elder Family as commonly called and known

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From: angie of the elder family

31 July 2009

Dear Sir or Madam,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of
Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Dyfed Powys Police's
handling of my FOI request 'Is it the job of Dyfed Powys Police to
"assist" bailiffs and ignore crime?'.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is
available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/is...

Is this yet another case of Dyfed Powys police thinking they are
above the law and can break it whenever they see fit? are Dyfed
Powys Police as proficient at ignoring questions as they are at
ignoring crime? it seems so , These questions will not go away just
because you choose not to answer them? Ignorence is no defence of
the law

Yours faithfully,

angie of the elder family

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From: FOI
Dyfed Powys Police

27 July 2009

Dear Angie

Reference Number: 424/2009

I write with reference to your e-mail of the 05 July 2009, the contents of
which are noted. Firstly please accept my apologies on behalf of the
Force for not responding to your e-mail sooner.

I have considered your application further and once again considered the
Information Commissioner's Office guidance referred to previously "Valid
Request - name and address for correspondence". I have also taken in to
account the need for a "real name" should an applicant decide to apply to
the Information Commissioner Office for an application for a decision by
the Information Commissioner under Section 50 of the Act. My view remains
the same that your enquiry does not fall within the meaning of a request
as identified within Section 8 (request for information) of the Freedom of
Information Act 2000. In coming to this decision I have also considered
that a response disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 is
considered as being disclosed to the World at large.

Should you wish to re-submit your enquiry identifying your name and
surname then as previously identified Dyfed Powys Police will then
consider your request for information under the Act. Should you however be
dissatisfied with this response you are entitled at any time to raise the
matter with the Information Commissioner's Office. Similarly if you
require any more information on the issue of "Valid request - name and
address for correspondence" the Information Commissioner's Office can be
contacted as indicated within the relevant guidance. Contact details for
the Information Commissioner's Office can be found on their website
available at [1]www.ico.gov.uk.

Should you be dissatisfied with the manner in which your enquiry to the
Dyfed Powys Police Freedom of Information Unit has been dealt with then
details on how to make a complaint are available via the Dyfed Powys
Police website at the links included below:

[2]www.dyfed-powys.police.uk/en/whatwedo/professionalstandards/

[3]www.dyfed-powys.police.uk/en/contactus/complaints/

Yours Sincerely

Debby Jones LLM MBA

Pennaeth Rhyddid Gwybodaeth/Head of FOI

Uned Rhyddid Gwybodaeth/Freedom of Information Unit

Pencadlys yr Heddlu/Police Headquarters

Caerfyrddin/Carmarthen

Ffon/Tel: 0845 330 2000 est/ext 23442

Llinell Uniongyrchol/Direct Line: 01267 226596

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From: FOI
Dyfed Powys Police

6 August 2009

Dear Angie

I write in response to your e-mail dated the 31 July 2009. It is not
possible to carry out a review as requested as your application for
information does not constitute a valid request under the Freedom of
Information Act 2000 (The Act) as indicated within my previous e-mails. I
would refer you to my previous e-mail of the 27 July 2009 which provides
advice as to what options are available to you. Dyfed Powys Police will
be happy to consider your application for information should you wish to
re-submit your enquiry identifying your name and surname as indicated
within the Information Commissioner's Office guidance.

Should you wish to seek further advice in respect of this matter the
Information Commissioner's Office is the regulatory body that oversees the
Act and will be in a position to provide you with advice regarding the Act
and what constitutes a valid request. If necessary the Information
Commissioner's Office may be in a position to make a determination on the
matter.

I am therefore not in a position to correspond further with you on this
matter unless a valid name is provided or a determination to the contrary
is made by the Information Commissioner's Office.

Yours sincerely

Debby Jones LLM MBA

Pennaeth Rhyddid Gwybodaeth/Head of FOI

Uned Rhyddid Gwybodaeth/Freedom of Information Unit

Pencadlys yr Heddlu/Police Headquarters

Caerfyrddin/Carmarthen

Ffon/Tel: 0845 330 2000 est/ext 23442

Llinell Uniongyrchol/Direct Line: 01267 226596

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