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From: Spenser Poultney
20 October 2010
Dear Solicitors Regulation Authority,
For each year since your Office began please state:
1. How many complaints against solicitors you investigated?
2. How many of those complaints were brought / referred to you by
Judges? - please name the Judges responsible?
3. How many of those complaints were brought / referred to you by
Court staff? - please name the Courts responsible?
4. How many of those complaints were brought / referred to you by
other Legal Professionals?
5. How many those complaints were brought / referred to you by
members of the public?
6. If the answers to questions 2 to 5 do not total the number in
question 1 - please list the other types of complainants together
with the numbers of each type.
For the current year (2010) please give the numbers TO DATE and
state when the year end is.
Yours faithfully,
Spenser Poultney
From: Joao Curro
Solicitors Regulation Authority
21 October 2010
Dear Mr Poultney
Freedom of Information Request - Our Ref: FOI/BS/488
Thank you for your email dated 20 October 2010 to the Solicitors
Regulation Authority (SRA) requesting access to information. I am treating
your request for information under the Law Society Freedom of Information
Code of Practice ("the Code").
You have requested access to the following information:
"For each year since your Office began please state:
1. How many complaints against solicitors you investigated?
2. How many of those complaints were brought / referred to you by
Judges? - please name the Judges responsible?
3. How many of those complaints were brought / referred to you by
Court staff? - please name the Courts responsible?
4. How many of those complaints were brought / referred to you by
other Legal Professionals?
5. How many those complaints were brought / referred to you by
members of the public?
6. If the answers to questions 2 to 5 do not total the number in
question 1 - please list the other types of complainants together
with the numbers of each type.
For the current year (2010) please give the numbers TO DATE and
state when the year end is."
The SRA is a part of the Law Society but acts independently carrying out
its regulatory functions. The Law Society is not covered by the Freedom of
Information Act (the FOIA) as it is not a designated authority, but has
adopted its own voluntary Code of Practice which closely reflects the
FOIA. The Code may be found at:
[1]http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/documents/d...
I am currently dealing with your request. Bob Stanley, Information
Compliance Manager will aim to respond formally by 18 November 2010 which
is 20 working days from the receipt of your request.
Yours sincerely
Joao Curro
Information Compliance Officer - Legal Services
The Law Society, 113 Chancery Lane, London WC2A 1PL
t: 020 7242 1222 (Ext 4539)
f: 020 7320 5685
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From: Joao Curro
Solicitors Regulation Authority
3 November 2010
Dear Mr Poultney
Freedom of Information Request - Our Ref: FOI/BS/488
Further to my colleague Joao Curro's email of 21 October 2010 please find
below the response to your request for information under the Law Society
Freedom of Information Code of Practice ("the Code").
You have requested access to the following information:
For each year since your Office began please state:
1. How many complaints against solicitors you investigated?
* Between February 2007 and October 2010 the SRA has received 21,856
allegations of misconduct that have resulted in a conduct
investigation.
2. How many of those complaints were brought / referred to you by
Judges? - please name the Judges responsible?
* Although the individual making the allegation is recorded on our
system, we do not consistently hold information on whether these
individuals were Judges.
3. How many of those complaints were brought / referred to you by
Court staff? - please name the Courts responsible?
* Although the individual making the allegation is recorded on our
system, we do not consistently hold information on whether these
individuals were Court staff.
4. How many of those complaints were brought / referred to you by
other Legal Professionals?
* Although the individual making the allegation is recorded on our
system, we do not consistently hold information on whether these
individuals were Legal Professionals.
5. How many those complaints were brought / referred to you by
members of the public?
* As we cannot define the criteria set out in questions 2-4, we
cannot give you the number of members of the public.
6. If the answers to questions 2 to 5 do not total the number in
question 1 - please list the other types of complainants together
with the numbers of each type.
* Please see above.
For the current year (2010) please give the numbers TO DATE and
state when the year end is.
* There have been 5,115 allegations of misconduct that have resulted
in a conduct investigation this year to date (January - October).
We count the year end in December for these purposes.
I trust the above information resolves your request.
Yours sincerely
Bob Stanley
Information Compliance Manager - Legal Services
The Law Society, 113 Chancery Lane, London WC2A 1PL
t: 020 7242 1222 (x4117)
f: 020 7320 5685
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From: Spenser Poultney
3 November 2010
Dear Joao Curro,
Thank you for your reply. It appears:
1. That the SRA clearly holds the data I am seeking
2. That it may not currently be in a format which readily answers
the questions (as phrased)
I regret that your reply is unsatisfactory as it makes NO attempt
to answer the fundamental question...
"How many investigations due to referrals by Judges?"
I feel certain that:
1. It would not take a competent "IT Guru" very long to come up
with some figures even if they are not 100% accurate.
2. The figures would ALSO be of interest to your office **
3. Ball-park figures might even make you decide to invest a few
hours (IT time) in obtaining more accurate figures
(** Your reply to date begs the question "Why can't the SRA answer
even the most basic questions about the SOURCE of almost 22,000
complaints investigated to date?")
Please re-consider and answer the question again.
I suppose an alternative would be for you to supply me with all
22,000 names and addresses and I could extract the data myself.
Will you?
In the mean-time I note that you do not CONSISTENTLY hold
information on whether the individuals were Judges, Court Staff,
Legal Professional or the Public. This implies that you have SOME
information available. Please allow me to re-phrase the question
for a quick (interim) answer...
Of the 21,856 allegations of misconduct that have resulted in a
conduct investigation between February 2007 and October 2010 please
state:
1. How many of those complaints can you identify as being brought /
referred to you by Judges? - please name the Judges responsible?
2. How many of those complaints can you identify as being brought /
referred to you by Court staff? - please name the Courts
responsible?
3. How many of those complaints can you identify as being brought /
referred to you by other Legal Professionals?
4. How many of those complaints can you identify as being brought /
referred to you by Members of the Public?
I look forward to your short-term and longer-term replies.
Yours sincerely,
Spenser Poultney
From: Spenser Poultney
3 November 2010
Dear Solicitors Regulation Authority,
Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of
Information reviews.
I am writing to request an internal review of Solicitors Regulation
Authority's handling of my FOI request 'How many investigations due
to referrals by Judges?'.
My reply to Joao Curro refers. I firmly believe you have the data
and (with a very little (IT) effort) you can provide a MUCH better
answer even if you need to apply certain caveats (though the way I
have re-phrased the questions should make an accurate answer
possible within the limits set)
A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is
available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ho...
Yours faithfully,
Spenser Poultney
PS - your office and I have some history... please see
http://www.lcs-test.co.uk/HomeNav.htm
The latest statistics are needed for a report to the Judicial
Studies Board and the new Ombudsman (as well as Parliament). It
seems incredible that the SRA can invest a great deal of time and
money in 22,000 investigations and not have to hand the most basic
metrics about the SOURCE of those complaints. Hope to hear from you
soon.
From: Information Compliance
Solicitors Regulation Authority
4 November 2010
Dear Mr Poultney
The Law Society does not have an internal review process for FoI
requests but under sections 17 and 18 of our Code (link below) you have
the right to have the matter referred to our FoI Adjudicator.
[1]http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/documents/d...
Please let me know if you would like the matter referred.
Yours sincerely
Bob Stanley
Information Compliance Manager - Legal Services
The Law Society, 113 Chancery Lane, London WC2A 1PL
t: 020 7242 1222 (x4117)
f: 020 7320 5685
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From: Spenser Poultney
4 November 2010
Dear Information Compliance,
Please do whatever is necessary internally to progress this matter.
It is plain you have the data - we just need to get at it.
With luck you may only need to have a quick chat with Joao Curro -
if he/she can answer my rephrased question it is possible this will
be sufficient - hard to tell until we know the answer and can gauge
the size of the unknown part.
Yours sincerely,
Spenser Poultney
From: Information Compliance
Solicitors Regulation Authority
5 November 2010
Dear Mr Poultney
Thank you for your email.
I have today referred this matter to the Law Society's Freedom of
Information Adjudicator and you will be hearing from him in due course.
Yours sincerely
Bob Stanley
Information Compliance Manager - Legal Services
The Law Society, 113 Chancery Lane, London WC2A 1PL
t: 020 7242 1222 (x4117)
f: 020 7320 5685
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From: Bob Stanley
Solicitors Regulation Authority
10 November 2010
Dear Mr Poultney
Please find below the response to your follow up questions which were
included in your email of 3 November to my colleague, Joao Curro.
The questions were as follows:
Of the 21,856 allegations of misconduct that have resulted in a
conduct investigation between February 2007 and October 2010 please
state:
1. How many of those complaints can you identify as being brought /
referred to you by Judges? - please name the Judges responsible?
2. How many of those complaints can you identify as being brought /
referred to you by Court staff? - please name the Courts
responsible?
3. How many of those complaints can you identify as being brought /
referred to you by other Legal Professionals?
4. How many of those complaints can you identify as being brought /
referred to you by Members of the Public?
The Society is unable to comply with these requests as to do so would
involve disproportionate effort such that the cost of complying would
exceed the appropriate limit of *450 set out in section 3 (3) of the
Government's Freedom of Information and Data Protection (Appropriate Limit
and Fees) Regulations 2004 (link below).
[1]http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.asp...
The Society's computer systems do not record the information you are
requesting so to compile the information would involve a manual inspection
of each physical file.
I am sorry I have been unable to assist with your information request on
this occasion.
Yours sincerely
Bob Stanley
Information Compliance Manager - Legal Services
The Law Society, 113 Chancery Lane, London WC2A 1PL
t: 020 7242 1222 (x4117)
f: 020 7320 5685
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From: Spenser Poultney
10 November 2010
Dear Bob Stanley,
Please confirm that the correct answers to my questions are below:
1. Of 21,856 investigations the SRA is able to identify NO CASES
that have been brought / referred by Judges.
2. Of 21,856 investigations the SRA is able to identify NO CASES
that have been brought / referred by Court staff.
3. Of 21,856 investigations the SRA is able to identify NO CASES
that have been brought / referred by other Legal Professionals
4. Of 21,856 investigations the SRA is able to identify NO CASES
that have been brought / referred by Members of the Public
New question - So, who DO you get complaints from?
Yours sincerely,
Spenser Poultney
From: Bob Stanley
Solicitors Regulation Authority
10 November 2010
Dear Mr Poultney
The Solicitors Regulation Authority receives complaints from all
sections of society but does not record this information on its computer
systems. As stated in my email of earlier today, to provide answers to
your questions would involve a manual search of all complaints. The cost
of this would be in excess of the 'appropriate limit' set out in the
Government's Fees Regulations.
Yours sincerely
Bob Stanley
Information Compliance Manager - Legal Services
The Law Society, 113 Chancery Lane, London WC2A 1PL
t: 020 7242 1222 (x4117)
f: 020 7320 5685
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From: Spenser Poultney
10 November 2010
Dear Bob Stanley,
So...
1. Of 21,856 investigations the SRA is not able to identify ANY
CASES AT ALL that have been brought / referred by Judges. The
number could be ZERO.
Do you know if the records kept by the LCS and the OLSO is as
antiquated as yours?
Yours sincerely,
Spenser Poultney
From: richardayre
11 November 2010
Dear Mr Poultney,
I act as the independent freedom of information adjudicator to whom people
can appeal if they believe they have been refused information by the Law
Society in a way which is inappropriate.
A few days ago the Society's Information Compliance Manager, Mr Bob
Stanley, informed me that you wanted me to adjudicate over the Society's
refusal to answer a series of questions you had asked in an email of 20
October to the Solicitors Regulation Authority. Mr Stanley also provided
me with a copy of the correspondence between you on this matter.
Having read the correspondence it appeared to me that the Law Society had
not answered the "interim" questions you had asked in a later email of 3
November and I suggested to the Society that it should do so before I
could take the question of adjudication further.
I see that yesterday Mr Stanley emailed you with the Society's answer,
namely that it was unable to provide the information you had asked for,
because the cost would be prohibitive, bearing in mind that the data was
not held electronically in a form which would easily enable it to be
interrogated in the way that you wished.
I am now writing to ask you whether, in the light of Mr Stanley's most
recent reply, you wish me to adjudicate on this matter. If you would like
me to, the procedure is that I will invite both the Society and you (if
you wish) to make a written submission to me about why the Society's
decision is or is not in accordance with the provisions of its Freedom of
Information Code, a copy of which I believe you have already been directed
to.
If you would like me to take this matter forward for adjudication I would
be very grateful if you could let me know within the next seven days (that
is, by Thursday 18 November), otherwise I will conclude that this matter
is closed. I shall copy this email to Mr Stanley so that he is aware of
the way I propose to proceed.
Yours sincerely
Richard Ayre
From: Spenser Poultney
11 November 2010
Dear richardayre,
To me it seems incredible, no, IMPOSSIBLE, that an organisation set
up only three years ago, in the wake of Clementi and the Legal
Services Act, REALLY relies on goose-quills and parchment. I simply
can't believe it.
The SRA certainly keeps SOME computer records. It has provided
statistics for other FOI requests, to the OLSO and to Government.
Is it possible (and with no disrespect to him) that Mr. Stanley is
wrong? Surely, as an absolute minimum, they keep a database of the
names and addresses of complainants?
Is it true that ANY 21st century organisation can investigate
22,000 complaints and not be able to tell WHO those complaints are
coming from? If so, we have much bigger questions to answer. I must
ask the new Ombudsman and Government some serious questions, not
only about the SRA but about the old OLSO too. We must also tackle
the LCS as well. Are you their adjudicator too?
If we must accept that Mr. Stanley is RIGHT about the lack of
computer records then there is no point whatsoever in your
adjudication no matter how "independent" you are.
Please, who can verify whether or not the SRA really IS this
antiquated and inefficient? I believe the SRA is a branch of the
Law Society - should the public really have been fobbed-off with
the paperwork "system" Noah put in place to count animals?
Is it possible that the SRA won't answer because the truth is that
NO complaints are ever referred to them by judges?
Kind Regards,
Spenser Poultney
From: rablackberry
12 November 2010
Dear Mr Poultney,
Thank you for your email of yesterday. It asked a lot of questions but
did not answer the one question I had asked.
Could you please now indicate whether you wish me to adjudicate on the
matter or not? If I do so, it will entail inviting submissions from both
you and the Law Society about whether the Society has acted in accordance
with its FoI Code.
Yours sincerely
Richard Ayre
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From: Spenser Poultney
12 November 2010
Dear rablackberry,
I thought I HAD answered ...
"If we must accept that Mr. Stanley is RIGHT about the lack of
computer records then there is no point whatsoever in your
adjudication no matter how "independent" you are."
It all hinges on whether or not Mr. Stanley is right about the lack
of a database of names and addresses of complainants. If he IS then
the cost would indeed be prohibitive. If he is wrong then the cost
would be minimal.
Yours sincerely,
Spenser Poultney
From: rablackberry
12 November 2010
Dear Mr Poultney,
I have received your email of this morning but it seems to me that you
have still not answered the question of whether, in the light of the
latest response you had from the Law Society, you want me to proceed to
adjudicate.
In the circumstances I think the fairest way forward is for me to assume
that you do. However, in these unusual circumstances I think I will take
the second paragraph of your latest email as indicating that you accept
that, if I can establish that the information you have sought is not kept
on a database which is readily searchable by the necessary criteria, then
the Law Society has acted appropriately by refusing to supply it to you on
the grounds that the cost of doing so would be prohibitive.
That being the case I do not intend to ask either the Law Society or you
to make any further submission. I will now take whatever steps are
necessary to establish the facts about the way the information is recorded
and I will then adjudicate accordingly. I shall copy this email to Mr
Stanley so that he knows how I propose to proceed.
I will be in touch when that process is complete.
Yours faithfully
Richard Ayre
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From: Spenser Poultney
13 November 2010
Dear Richard Ayre,
Many thanks for yoru help. Your suggestion seems extremely
sensible.
Yours sincerely,
Spenser Poultney
From: richardayre
15 November 2010
Dear Mr Poultney,
I was able to go to the Law Society today and examine the complaints
database. As you will see from the attached adjudication, I can confirm
that there is no way of readily searching the database by the criteria you
had enquired about.
I will ask the Law Society to publish this adjudication on its website, as
is usual in FoI cases.
Yours sincerely
Richard Ayre
From: Spenser Poultney
16 November 2010
Dear Richard Ayre,
I note that you report that there is INDEED a database called
"ROAD" and that compliant records are NOT exclusively on paper.
If there IS a database containing the names and addresses of all
complainants... then... as I said on 3rd November...
1. It would not take a competent "IT Guru" very long to come up
with some figures even if they are not 100% accurate.
The cost of trawling 22,000 paper records is clearly prohibitive
... whereas the cost of constructing a few structured queries on an
underlying database is probably (almost) nil ... it would be
routine for IT
I cannot accept your adjudication if this is the case.
Do I need to ask my MP and the new Ombudsman why the SRA is unable
to provide ANY details on the SOURCE of the (very expensive)
complaints it has investigated to date?
Yours sincerely,
Spenser Poultney
From: rablackberry
16 November 2010
Dear Mr Poultney,
Thank you for your email of earlier today. I do hope you will understand
if I say that I never enter into correspondence with either party about an
adjudication once it is published.
Yours sincerely
Richard Ayre
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From: Spenser Poultney
17 November 2010
Dear Richard Ayre,
I suppose I should be grateful that you have corresponded with me
to tell me that you won't correspond with me. In truth I am not.
In your report you clearly state that the SRA HAS a database
containing the names of all complainants. Indeed, you have clearly
stated that the SRA HAS the information I am after in ELECTRONIC
FORM.
THEN you tell me that they won't provide the information -
seemingly in clear breach of the FoI Act.
As an "excuse" you seem to be tendering the SRA's "theory" that the
cost of running a few simple queries (15 minutes work?) exceeds the
£450 limit.
In short the adjudicator appears to be entirely happy to support a
refusal which defies the logic of his OWN findings of FACT.
I asked you if you are also the adjudicator for the LCS (as you
know, this is the first port of call for complainants - who THEN
get referred to the SRA if appropriate). You did not answer. Please
do so and in the mean time I will ask the SRA the SAME questions -
I DO get the feeling, however, that we are wasting a LOT of time
and effort for something:
1. The SRA could EASILY provide and SHOULD provide.
2. The SRA themselves (as well as the Ombudsman, MP's and the
general public) SHOULD be interested in - i.e. the SOURCE of ALL
their work... 22,000 complaints
Finally, what is the appeal process from the adjudication, please?
Yours sincerely,
Spenser Poultney
From: Spenser Poultney
30 December 2010
Dear rablackberry,
Please forward this to Mr Anthony Brooks, Head of Legal Services at
the Law Society. I understand that Mr. Brooks is Bob Stanley's
line-manager.
Dear Mr. Brooks,
I paste my email of 1st December below.
The Ombudsman's Office has clearly stated that the Law Society can
advise on what further action can be taken.
Unfortunately, Mr. Stanley's replies appear to be deliberately
obtuse and he has made no attempt to do as the OLSO has suggested.
In your code of practice... accessible here...
http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/publication...
The Law Society states...
"We will normally accept the Adjudicator’s decisions, but,
exceptionally, our Council may decide not to accept his
adjudication. In this event, we will still publish the
Adjudicator’s decision and the Council’s reasons for not accepting
it"
So... what is the NEXT step?
How do we get the council to review the decision given my email
below?
Kind Regards,
Spenser Poultney
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email sent 1st December 2010
============================
Dear Sirs,
I wish to highlight a clear breach of your own FoI rules and appeal
against a patently illogical adjudication made by Richard Ayre on
15/11/2010. See:-
http://www.lawsociety.org.uk//documents/...
The full FoI request and all correspondence may be found here:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ho...
It was a finding of FACT by Richard Ayre that the SRA has an
electronic database containing the name of all (22,000)
complainants.
As stated - it would take around 15 minutes for a suitable "IT
Guru" (indeed, anyone with a little dBase experience) to run a
search on the names to find out how many referrals were made by
Judges (the base question).
The finding that 15 minutes work is disproportionate (and therefore
too costly) is clearly wrong.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Kind Regards,
Spenser Poultney
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Solicitors Regulation Authority
30 December 2010
Thank you for your email. I do not operate a postal service for the Law Society, so you should feel free to write to Mr Brooks yourself.
Richard Ayre
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
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From: Spenser Poultney
30 December 2010
Sir,
Whilst I thank you for your reply... it is unhelpful.
Throughout December I have been sending emails to the following
address:
[email address]
These get fielded and ignored by Bob Stanley who clearly is trying
his hardest to avoid the issue.
Perhaps you would be good enough to provide an email address for
Mr. Brooks? ... or indeed simply forward as per my original
request?
Yours faithfully,
Spenser Poultney
Solicitors Regulation Authority
30 December 2010
Dear Mr Poultney,
I do not intend to correspond with you further on this issue.
Richard Ayre
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