Freehold Title and Land Patent Title

J Garratt made this Freedom of Information request to Land Registry

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From: J Garratt

23 January 2010

Dear Land Registry,

AS the owner of a FREEHOLD Property in the United Kingdom am I also
the Land Patent owner as well (if I own/hold the FREEHOLD TITLE do
I also Own/Hold the LAND PATENT TITLE) or are they one and the
same?).

Yours faithfully,

J Garratt

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From: Hookway, Adam
Land Registry

25 January 2010

Dear J Garratt
Thank you for your email enquiry.
As you are already aware Land Registry maintains a register of land ownership in England & Wales.
Land Patents is an alternative method of proving ownership but one which does not operate within England & Wales. The system is however used in a number of other countries, most notably the USA.
Yours sincerely

Adam Hookway
Correspondence & Enquiries Team Leader
Customer Service
Head Office
Direct line - 020 7166 4831
GTN 7 3504 4831
email [email address]

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From: J Garratt

25 January 2010

Dear Hookway, Adam,

Many thanks for your quick reply,thanks for clearing up the
information with regards to whether Freehold and Land Patent were
one and the same etc.

What I am trying to determine is does being the FREEHOLD
holder/owner give absolute land rights ownership (ie Alodia Title,
from which i understand to mean as stated above - absolute and sole
ownership of the land in question).

Sorry if i am not very clear as to what i mean , but i am not
entirely sure as to the correct term to use.

Once again many thanks for your continued help.

Yours sincerely,

J Garratt

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From: Hookway, Adam
Land Registry

26 January 2010

Dear J Garratt
Thank you for your further email.
The terminology you are using, namely allodial title and land patent are not terms used in land law in England & Wales.
In our view Freehold title is defined as one of the two ways of owning land at law (technically called “an estate in fee simple absolute in possession”). The other is for a fixed term of years (commonly called “a lease” or “leasehold” . Freehold continues for an indefinite period without any payment in the nature of rent. A freehold title is the nearest approach to absolute ownership of land in England & Wales – the Queen being the only person to own land absolutely.

I am afraid that I am not able to advise further as your questions relate to land law rather than legislation specific to land registration. If you are still unsure then you may wish to consider seeking legal advice or undertaking additional research online which at a glance does appear to contain some interesting material on this subject.
Yours sincerely
Adam Hookway

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From: J Garratt

26 January 2010

Dear Adam Hookway,

Once again many thanks for your quick reply, two points i would
like to make/clear up as it were with your reply ,

Firstly - all people born and living in the British Isles have
Sovereignty by right of birth and it is that sovereignty which is
invested in the Monarch to Act on our behalf and in our interests
and defend the realm ....therefore all Crown Estates must actually
belong to the people and this must include Absolute land ownership
aswell does it not.

Secondly - as in your reply "a FREEHOLD title is the nearest
approach to absolute ownership of land in England and Wales".....if
this is true then how can the Council Tax be a LAWFULL charge to
any FREEHOLD owners/holders ,as Land owned/held by FREEHOLD are
LAWFULLY Free and excempt from any Fines ,taxes, liens or any
charges or constraints which may be placed upon them.....

.....unless the Government or Country Council or Local Council
actually own the FREEHOLD to the Land then they cannot LAWFULLY
impose a charge upon it......if they do not hold/own the FREEHOLD
,then the Council Tax IS UNLAWFULL.

Once again many thanks for your swift replies and i look forward to
hearing from you.

Yours sincerely,

J Garratt

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From: Hookway, Adam
Land Registry

27 January 2010

Dear J Garratt
Thank you for your email but I am afraid questions of sovereignty and legality are not ones upon which I can advise. Such matters should be raised with a legal adviser and not with Land Registry.
Please read our Advisory Policy with regards what we can and cannot give advice upon
http://www1.landregistry.gov.uk/assets/l... and in particular the section that refers to "We provide advice only about real cases, not about theoretical circumstances. We will not express a view on questions where the law is complex or unclear except where the question arises on a live registration application."

The questions and issues you have now raised are not within our remit and I am afraid that there is nothing more that I can add.
Yours sincerely
Adam Hookway

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From: J Garratt

27 January 2010

Dear Hookway, Adam,

Once again many thanks for your reply and i will look into this
further as you state you are not prepared/cannot go any further
with this due to entering legal grounds.....but would be prepared
if it were a live request.

It has been a long held thought that the Council Tax is actually an
unlawfull charge upon property and land , and coerciively enforced
by threats of force (actually unlawfull & illegal under the
Universal Declaration of Human Rights....Tyranny and Bondage,
including Debt Bondage are both unlawfull and illegal) by a
fraudulent Parliament and it's members.

Once again many thanks for your help and replies.

Yours sincerely,

J Garratt

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