Follow this request
There are 3 people following this request
Act on what you've learnt
Similar requests
Democracy Live tender and contracts
To British Broadcasting Corporation by Julian Todd 13 August 2010
Democracy Live BBC Trust documents
To British Broadcasting Corporation by Julian Todd 13 August 2010
Consultation for disclosure of results of operation for online
To British Broadcasting Corporation by Julian Todd 14 July 2008
Innovations Labs successful commissions
To British Broadcasting Corporation by Julian Todd 10 June 2008
Release of the Balen Report
To British Broadcasting Corporation by Mr Ridon 14 February 2009
Cost of producing Great TV Mistakes and Great Movie Mistakes
To British Broadcasting Corporation by Paul Illes 23 June 2011
BBC News website editors
To British Broadcasting Corporation by Julian Moore 8 October 2009
Money spent on Young Apprentice, Series 2
To British Broadcasting Corporation by H. Al-Jabir 25 October 2011
Organisational charts
To British Broadcasting Corporation by Miss Nagy 24 August 2010
KPMG documents at BBC Monitoring
To British Broadcasting Corporation by Spencer Count 24 September 2010
Democracy live progress reports
Julian Todd made this Freedom of Information request to British Broadcasting Corporation
The request was refused by British Broadcasting Corporation.
From: Julian Todd
6 November 2009
Dear Sir or Madam,
According to the first blog for the Democracy Live project:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/2...
"DL, as it's become known in the BBC, is the result of about 18
months of development work... Our search is powered by a
speech-to-text system built by two companies called Blinkx and
Autonomy which create transcriptions of the words spoken in the
video."
Under the Freedom of Information Act, please may I have copies of
all progress reports produced by the Democracy Live team (including
any that were filed by the contractors Autonomy and Blinkx) during
the 18 months they were building this project.
Yours faithfully,
Julian Todd
From: FOI Enquiries
British Broadcasting Corporation
9 November 2009
Dear Mr. Todd
Thank you for your request for information under the Freedom of
Information Act 2000, as detailed in your email below. Your request was
received on 6th November 2009. We will deal with your request as
promptly as possible, and at the latest within 20 working days. If you
have any queries about your request, please contact us at the address
below.
The reference number for your request is RFI20091538.
Kind regards
The Information Policy & Compliance Team
BBC Freedom of Information
Room 2252, BBC White City
201 Wood Lane
London W12 7TS
www.bbc.co.uk/foi
Email: [BBC request email]
Tel: 020 8008 2882
Fax: 020 8008 2398
show quoted sections
From: FOI Enquiries
British Broadcasting Corporation
4 December 2009
Dear Mr Todd
Please find attached the response to your request for information under
the Freedom of Information Act.
<<RFI20091538 - final response.pdf>>
Kind regards,
Rachael Ward
Adviser, Information Policy and Compliance
BBC Freedom of Information
Room 2252
BBC White City
201 Wood Lane
London W12 7TS, UK
Website: [1]www.bbc.co.uk/foi/
Email: [2]mailto:[BBC request email]
Tel: 020 8008 2883
Fax: 020 8008 2398
[3]http://www.bbc.co.uk
This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal
views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated.
If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system.
Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in
reliance on it and notify the sender immediately.
Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received.
Further communication will signify your consent to this.
References
Visible links
1. file://www.bbc.co.uk/foi/
2. mailto:[BBC request email]
3. http://www.bbc.co.uk/
From: Julian Todd
8 December 2009
Dear Stephanie Harris,
Thank you for your reply to my request for progress reports
returned by the team who created the Democracy Live platform over
the last 18 months.
It is noted that this negative form-response that makes no
reference to my request other than to quote its words took
precisely four weeks to be returned.
There is unfortunately no guidance I can quote, but I do not
believe it is fair for the BBC to apply its Schedule 1 definition
of a public authority as a rubber stamp without providing any
specific justification -- particularly as the ICO's interpretation
of the Sugar appeal lays out a clear framework for determining what
comes under the categories "journalism, art or literature".
It is without doubt that the Democracy Live system is neither art
nor literature, so it can only be considered as journalism.
Decision notice FS50188859 provides the following list of
information that falls into the outside category determined by a
High Court decision:
Salaries of presenters / talent
Total staff costs of programmes
Programme budgets
Programme costs
Payments to other production companies for programmes
Payments to secure coverage of sporting events and other events
Content of programmes / coverage of issues within programmes
Obviously my request for progress reports during the technical
development of an entirely on-line internet system that carries no
BBC produced content does not match any of these.
Decision notice FS50088733 summarizes the Information Tribunal's
opinion of what three elements constitute "journalism":
The first is the collection or gathering, writing and verifying of
materials for publication.
The second is editorial.
The third is the maintenance and enhancement of the standards and
quality of journalism, particularly with respect to accuracy,
balance and completeness.
None of these categories impinge on technical progress reports that
would have been supplied by the team of software engineers building
the platform that delivers this service during the build phase of
this project.
It is unlikely that, given the lack of filtering of the video data
in the way it is gathered and processed for the web-page, that any
professional journalism was involved in the development.
There is also no evidence that the system has been incorporated
into standard journalistic operations throughout the rest of the
organization.
For all intents and purposes this project appears as an unartistic,
non-literary isolated technical internet solution for processing
and republishing raw video feeds.
As such, please provide me with more of a sign that at least some
consideration has occurred in fulfilling (or not) this request,
beyond the ticking of a box to auto-generate a message, and
queueing the response email to go out exactly 20 days later.
Yours faithfully,
Julian Todd
From: FOI Enquiries
British Broadcasting Corporation
9 December 2009
Dear Mr Todd
Thank you for your message below. We are sorry that you were
dissatisfied with the BBC's response to your request. We note your
comments on the application of Schedule 1; however, the BBC does
consider that the type of information you have requested is outside the
scope of the Act. Although as set out in the letter, we do not offer an
internal review when the information is not covered by the Act, you may
appeal directly to the Information Commissioner's Office.
We do try to respond to requests as promptly as possible but the BBC
receives a large number of requests that it has to work through; please
accept our apologies that we did not provide your response sooner.
Yours sincerely
BBC Information Policy and Compliance
Room 2252, 2nd Floor, White City
201 Wood Lane
London W12 7TS, UK
Website: www.bbc.co.uk/foi
Email: mailto:[BBC request email]
Tel: 020 8008 2883
Fax: 020 8008 2398
show quoted sections
Julian Todd left an annotation ( 7 July 2010)
The decision notice FS50284450 is here
http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/d...
Julian Todd left an annotation (13 August 2010)
Pre-hearing was held today. Hearing to be stayed until Sugar appeal is known.
Things to do with this request
- Add an annotation (to help the requester or others)
- Download a zip file of all correspondence
Make and explore Freedom of Information requests






Julian Todd left an annotation ( 9 December 2009)
I really, REALLY would like there to be some specific guidance for the BBC. For normal exemptions, reasons have to be given. However, this unusual hybrid authority that is the BBC is able to simply rubber-stamp the case. It was only a recent high court judgement that even allows us to take it to the ICO.
There is, of course, nothing to stop the BBC from changing its policy and behaving reasonably (ie to start supplying its reasons) voluntarily. It doesn't have to wait for the law to be changed.
Link to this