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Dear CCBC

Please acknowledge receipt of this request, which was also sent to
you directly by email

Steve Hunt

Reminder no. 2

Dear CCBC

Please acknowledge receipt of this request, which was also sent to
you directly by email

Steve Hunt

Dear Mr Hunt

In response to your request dated 29th September the council has
responded fully in the past and has made known that no recorded
information is held.

There is nothing more to add and continuing contact on the matter will
serve no useful purpose.

The context and history of the request forms part of a wider pattern of
vexatious behaviour.

In view of the above the council will not be engaging in further
correspondence dealing with this matter

Yours sincerely

David Smith
Corporate Information and Complaints

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Mr Smith,

YOU ARE BEING VEXATIOUS

YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER TO MAKE SUCH A STATEMENT
UNILATERALLY AS: "...the Council will not be engaging in further
correspondence..."

I DEMAND you quote the exact policy of the Council under which you
advise "...the Council will not be engaging in further
correspondence..."

In the event there is no such policy, which from my research
appears to be the case, I DEMAND a copy of the minutes of the full
Council at which it was determined that the Council should take
this stance - as per the process very clearly stated in the
Council's own constitution.

With regard to this actual FOI request, All I have asked for is a
copy of the minutes of a Council Meeting, which should in any case
be in the public domain. As advised, I have searched the Council
website, but cannot find the minutes of this particular meeting,
hence the perfectly legitimate FOI request - which is in no way
vexatious.

I have acknowledged that you have stated in writing that the
Council had no policy whatsoever to carry out the actions against
me that it did, and therefore I carried out further research. I
subsequently discovered from the Council's own constitution that
where there is no policy, a proposal to carry out such actions has
to be put to the full Council. Therefore it is a perfectly
reasonable request to ask for a copy of the minutes of that meeting
which MUST have taken place according to your own constitution. If
it is the case that no such meeting ever took place, then it will
obviously suffice for you to simply state that to be the case.

YOUR continuous breaking of the Law by refusing to release
information under the FOIA to myself AND others is what is causing
more and more requests - which you like to claim is vexatious. IF
YOU complied with the Law in the first place, further requests for
information to substantiate your various claims would most likely
not be required. YOU are the vexatious party, not I. All I have
been trying to achieve for 3 years is the release of information
which the Council holds - that is, and always will be, perfectly
legitimate.

Simply claiming someone is "vexatious" is NOT a reason not to
comply with the Law, despite what you seem to think.

In any case, as previously stated, the minutes of the above
referenced meeting SHOULD ALREADY be publicly available. By Law you
must either tell me where I can find the published minutes, or
supply a copy directly.

If there are no minutes because no meeting took place, simply say
so - it isn't that difficult.

Steve Hunt

CCBC,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of
Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Conwy Council's
handling of my FOI request 'Councils Abuse of its own
Constitution'.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is
available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/co...

In particular, your Mr Smith appears to be dictating what the
Council will and won't do, without him having any authority
whatsoever to do so.

Steve Hunt

Dear Mr Hunt

My email response to you dated 09th of October is very self explanatory.

It has been made very clear to you that the Council will not be engaging
in further correspondence dealing with this matter.

If for whatever reason you are unhappy with our response please contact
the Information Commissioner Wales, Cambrian Buildings, Mount Stewart
Square, Cardiff. CF10 5FL.

David Smith
Corporate Information & Complaints Manager

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Mr Smith,

I repeat:

YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER TO MAKE SUCH A STATEMENT
UNILATERALLY AS: "...the Council will not be engaging in further
correspondence..."

I DEMAND you quote the exact policy of the Council under which you
advise "...the Council will not be engaging in further
correspondence..."

If I am wrong, and in fact you personally DO have some magical
authority to dictate what the Council will and will not do, then
please state publicly for the record that I am wrong and that you
DO personally have control over the whole Local Authority.

Steve Hunt

Mr Smith,

Regardless of your magical powers over the entire Local Authority,
I STILL REQUIRE A COPY OF THE MINUTES OF THE FULL COUNCIL MEETING
WHERE IT DECIDED TO CARRY OUT THE FOUR AFOREMENTIONED ACTIONS
AGAINST ME - OR A STATEMENT THAT THERE ARE NO MINUTES BECAUSE NO
SUCH MEETING EVER TOOK PLACE.

Steve Hunt

Mr Smith,

I Still require a copy of the minutes of the full Council meeting
where it decided to carry out the four aforementioned actions
against me - OR - a formal written statement that no such minutes
exist because no such meeting ever took place.

LET ME MAKE THIS VERY SIMPLE FOR YOU:

Only one of the following two scenarios can be possible:

A) A meeting took place, in which case it MUST have been minuted,
and you MUST release those documents under this FOI request.

- OR -

B) No meeting took place, in which case make a formal statement to
that effect.

So which is it? A or B?

Steve Hunt

Mr Smith

I Still require a copy of the minutes of the full Council meeting
where it decided to carry out the four aforementioned actions
against me - OR - a formal written statement that no such minutes
exist because no such meeting ever took place.

LET ME MAKE THIS VERY SIMPLE FOR YOU:

Only one of the following two scenarios can be possible:

A) A meeting took place, in which case it MUST have been minuted,
and you MUST release those documents under this FOI request.

- OR -

B) No meeting took place, in which case make a formal statement to
that effect.

So which is it? A or B?

Steve Hunt

Mr Smith,

I repeat yet again:

I Still require a copy of the minutes of the full Council meeting
where it decided to carry out the four aforementioned actions
against me - OR - a formal written statement that no such minutes
exist because no such meeting ever took place.

LET ME MAKE THIS VERY SIMPLE FOR YOU:

Only one of the following two scenarios can be possible:

A) A meeting took place, in which case it MUST have been minuted,
and you MUST release those documents under this FOI request.

- OR -

B) No meeting took place, in which case make a formal statement to
that effect.

So which is it? A or B?

Steve Hunt

Mr Smith,

I repeat for the 5th time:

I Still require a copy of the minutes of the full Council meeting
where it decided to carry out the four aforementioned actions
against me - OR - a formal written statement that no such minutes
exist because no such meeting ever took place.

LET ME MAKE THIS VERY SIMPLE FOR YOU:

Only one of the following two scenarios can be possible:

A) A meeting took place, in which case it MUST have been minuted,
and you MUST release those documents under this FOI request.

- OR -

B) No meeting took place, in which case make a formal statement to
that effect.

So which is it? A or B?

Steve Hunt

Mr Smith,

I repeat for the 6th time:

I Still require a copy of the minutes of the full Council meeting
where it decided to carry out the four aforementioned actions
against me - OR - a formal written statement that no such minutes
exist because no such meeting ever took place.

LET ME MAKE THIS VERY SIMPLE FOR YOU:

Only one of the following two scenarios can be possible:

A) A meeting took place, in which case it MUST have been minuted,
and you MUST release those documents under this FOI request.

- OR -

B) No meeting took place, in which case make a formal statement to
that effect.

So which is it? A or B?

Steve Hunt