Copies of minutes from East Dunbartonshire Council's Civic Government Appeals Board

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Dear Mr Gilmour

Herewith some information relating to the objections to the recent Cairde
Na hEireann march in Kirkintilloch. The information relates to all
objections, notwithstanding your reference to those of "the 21 racists".
East Dunbartonshire Council has no knowledge of the motives of the
objectors, nor can we express an opinion on their political or other views.

As you are aware, we cannot make available the personal details of the
objectors. That being the case, we feel that the objections are best
summarised in list form, as follows. From the list you will note that many
of the submissions contained more than one ground for objection:

Rather than an Anti-racism March the proposal is actually an Irish
Republican/IRA March/Parade/Demonstration

1,2,3,4,5,6,9,10,11,12,13,15,16,18,19,21 (16 representations)

The Organisers Support/Glorify Terrorist
Organisations/Murderers/Martyrs/Marchers Wear Paramilitary-style
Uniforms/Flags

1,2,3,7,8,9,10,11,13,16,17,18,19,20 (14 representations)

Terrorist Symbols on Drums/Bands' Named after Terrorists/Bands Supporting
Terrorists on Websites, etc.

1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,13,17,19,20 (14 representations)

Previous History of Trouble/Disorder associated with Marches by this
Organisation/Fears for Public Safety

1,2,4,6,7,10,11,19,20 (9 representations)

Anti-British sentiments not consistent with stated Anti-racism intention of
proposed March

4 (1 representation)

Converting Act of Vandalism (not Racism) into Pretext/Focus for Sectarian
Division/Making Memorial Plaque a Target

4,6,7,8,15,19 (6 representations)

Introducing/increasing Sectarianism in Kirkintilloch/Organisers and bands
are all from outwith Kirkintilloch

4,6,7,10,17,19,20,21 (8 representations)

The minute of the East Dunbartonshire Council Appeals Board (13th November
2007) is appended.

(See attached file: 071113lr.doc)

With regard to you request for information about the granting of other
applications for parades and marches by East Dunbartonshire Council, I
would be gratful if you could specify the period of years in which you are
interested before we start to look for the information. Please bear in mind
that, as with your other request, we cannot supply personal information.

Yours sincerely

Don Martin,
Assistant manager, Information & Archives
East Dunbartonshire Council
t. 0141 775 4571
f. 0141 776 0408
e. [East Dunbartonshire Council request email]
w. http://www.eastdunbarton.gov.uk

John Gilmour
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Copies of minutes from East
Dunbartonshire Council's Civic
Government Appeals Board

Dear Sir or Madam,

Please provide me with copies of any minutes taken and held, or any
other documentation recorded by East Dunbartonshire Council with
respect to, the meeting of East Dunbartonshire Council's Civic
Government Appeals Board which was held on, or around the 13th of
November 2007, with respect to the application by Cairde Na
hEireann to hold an Anti-Racism march.

Please can you also supply anonymised copies of the objections sent
in by the 21 racists who objected to this march?

Can I also take this opportunity to request from EDC totals for
each previous year of

a) The number of applications granted for parades and marches in
East Dunbartonshire b) The number of applicants whose applications
were approved with no restrictions on bands playing, and the names
of those applicants c) The number of applicants whose applications
were approved with restrictions on bands playing, and the names of
those applicants.

Many thanks,

Yours faithfully,

John Gilmour

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Hi John,

I will pass your comments onto our FOI Officer, who I have copied in on
this email.

I work in ICT and developed the FOI system, therefore the emails appear to
come from me.

Cheers,

Kenny Rae
ICT Engineer
East Dunbartonshire Council
t 0141 578 8478
f 0141 578 8440
e mailto:[email address]
w http://www.eastdunbarton.gov.uk

John Gilmour
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- Copies of minutes from East
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Dear Sir or Madam,

May I inquire as to the outstanding portion of the FOI request, the
clarification which you sought being delivered to you on 16/07/08,
and a response having been due on 14/08/2008, which reads as
follows

"Can I also take this opportunity to request from EDC totals for
each previous year of

a) The number of applications granted for parades and marches in
East Dunbartonshire

b) The number of applicants whose applications were approved with
no restrictions on bands playing, and the names of those applicants

c) The number of applicants whose applications were approved with
restrictions on bands playing, and the names of those applicants."

Yours sincerely,

John Gilmour

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John,

As stated in my previous email - I work for ICT and have no role to play in
the actual provision of data with regards to your FOI request.

Again I have copied the FOI Officer in on this email and I would suggest
that you communicate directly with them in future to save any further
delays.

I will also try to contact them via the phone to make sure they are aware
of this situation.

Kenny

John Gilmour
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06/11/2008 11:22
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Re: Freedom of Information request
- Copies of minutes from East
Dunbartonshire Council's Civic
Government Appeals Board

Dear Sir or Madam,

Thank you for your recent communication concerning my FOI request,
as available for public viewing at
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/co...
.

East Dunbartonshire Council has now had 4 months to respond to this
FOI request. By law, the information requested had to be supplied
by 14 August, 2008.

If the requested information is not supplied by 13th of November,
2008, then I shall have no alternative but to treat this as a
refusal by East Dunbartonshire Council to supply the information.

Yours sincerely,

John Gilmour

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Dear Mr Gilmour,

I am writing to offer my apologies for the delay taken by East
Dunbartonshire Council to answer your Freedom of Information enquiry of
July this year. I can confirm that I have taken steps to ensure that your
request is being processed and that you will receive your response as soon
as possible.

Yours sincerely,

Stephen Armstrong

Stephen Armstrong,
Freedom of Information/Data Protection Officer,
Libraries & Cultural Services,
East Dunbartonshire Council,
Telephone No. 0141-775 4571
Fax No. 0141-776 0408
[email address]

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Dear Mr Gilmour,

I am writing to confirm that East Dunbartonshire Council has received your
request for a review of the response provided to your Freedom of
Information enquiry dated the 3rd of July 2008.

The review will be handled by staff who were not involved in the original
decision. You will receive notice of the results of the review within 20
working days of the receipt of your request.

If you have any further queries regarding this process or your Freedom of
Information request, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Yours Sincerely,

Stephen Armstrong

Stephen Armstrong,
Freedom of Information/Data Protection Officer,
Libraries & Cultural Services,
East Dunbartonshire Council,
Telephone No. 0141-775 4571
Fax No. 0141-776 0408
[email address]

John Gilmour
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Subject
Internal review of Freedom of
Information request - Copies of
minutes from East Dunbartonshire
Council's Civic Government Appeals
Board

Dear Sir or Madam,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of
Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of East Dunbartonshire
Council's handling of my FOI request 'Copies of minutes from East
Dunbartonshire Council's Civic Government Appeals Board'.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is
available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/co...

Yours sincerely,

John Gilmour

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Dear Mr Gilmour,

Thank you for your email. I must apologise for the continuing delay in
responding to your request for review. As I had a role in the original
response to your request I am not involved in the review process. I have
however been in contact with those carrying out the review and have made
them aware that it has to be treated as a matter of the highest urgency.
I am confident that you shall have a full response very shortly. Again I
am very sorry for the length of time taken to respond to your request.

Yours sincerely

Stephen Armstrong,

Stephen Armstrong,
Freedom of Information/Data Protection Officer,
Libraries & Cultural Services,
East Dunbartonshire Council,
Telephone No. 0141-775 4571
Fax No. 0141-776 0408
[email address]

John Gilmour
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03/03/2009 16:38
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- Copies of minutes from East
Dunbartonshire Council's Civic
Government Appeals Board

Dear Mr Armstrong,

It has now been over 3 months since I requested that East
Dunbartonshire Council carry out an internal review into the
handling of this case.

May I inquire as to whether EDC have any intention of carrying out
this review?

The full background to this request can be found at
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/co...

Yours sincerely,

John Gilmour

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Dear Mr. Gilmour

I refer to your previous e-mail correspondence with Stephen Armstong, the
Council?s Freedom of Information/Data Protection Officer.

First of all may I apologise again on behalf of the Council for the delay
in responding to your request for a review of the Council?s earlier
response to your freedom of information request. This delay was caused, in
part, by the departure of the previous officer within the Legal Services
Section who was dealing with this matter.

I understand that the outstanding information you have asked for relates to
applications for marches in previous years, as follows:-

1. The number of applications granted for parades/marches in East
Dunbartonshire.

2. The number of applications which were approved with no restrictions
on bands playing and the names of the applicants and

3. The number of applications which were approved with restrictions on
bands playing and the names of the applicants.

You later advised that you wish this information for as far back as is
possible with neither undue delay or cost being involved.

I have been advised that from 1 January 2005 to date 75 applications for
parades/marches have been dealt with. Additionally in 2005 there were 12
parades/marches undertaken by organisations which were at that point exempt
from the full application procedure. These exempt organisations included
groups such as community councils, certain churches, girl guides and
similar groups.

Since 2007 details of public processions have been recorded on the
Council?s website. The easiest way to access this information is by
clicking on the quick link menu on the top right hand corner of the
Council?s home web page. This will bring up a list of options including
public processions. Clicking on this link will lead you to details of both
the Public Processions Code of Conduct and a Public Procession Register.
The Public Register contains details of applications dating back to 6 April
2007 and, for your convenience, I have attached the Register as at today?s
date. If you wish details of previous applicants dating back to 1 January
2005 please let me know and I shall arrange for this information to be
collated.

You also requested information on the number of applications which were
approved with restrictions on bands playing and those which were approved
with no restrictions, with names of the relevant applicants. It is a
standing arrangement for all public processions that music is not played as
the procession passes places of worship. The only application where an
additional restriction was imposed was in relation to the application
submitted by Mr Edward Ingram of 4 Annick Drive, Bearsden in November 2007.
In that case the application was granted subject to there being no bands
present or live music played.

If you are dissatisfied with this response, you are entitled under Section
47 of the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002 to apply to the
Scottish Information Commissioner for a decision as to whether or not the
Council had dealt with your request in accordance with Part 1 of the Act.
If you wish to exercise this right you should submit your application in
writing within six months of your receipt of this e-mail.

The Commissioner?s address is ? The Scottish Information Commissionaire,
Kinburn Castle, Doubledykes Road, St Andrews KY16 9DS. Telephone: 01334
464610. Email: [email address].

In terms of Section of 56 of the Act an appeal may be made to the Court of
Session, on a point of law of law only, against any decision by the
Scottish Information Commissioner.

Yours sincerely

Michael Smith
Contracts and Conveyancing Manager
Legal and Administration Services
East Dunbartonshire Council
Tel: 0141 578 8069

(See attached file: Public%20Procession%20Register.jt.pdf)

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