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Mark Turner made this Freedom of Information request to Department for Transport
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From: Mark Turner
20 June 2011
Dear Department for Transport,
can I ask the SoS to explain what measures have been taken to
ensure fairness of treatment risk management in relation to premium
costs to drivers for cars declared off road in light of new
continous insurance requirement legislation.
What checks and balances are being implemented to ensure that risk
management and premium costs are equitable with the car being off
the road.
Yours faithfully,
Mark Turner
From: Ivan Pocock
Department for Transport
21 June 2011
Dear Mr Turner,
I am writing to acknowledge receipt of your request for information which has been allocated reference number P0007779. A response will be issued to you in due course.
Regards,
Ivan Pocock
Department for Transport
Information Rights Unit
D/04, Ashdown House
Sedlescombe Road North
St Leonards on Sea
East Sussex
TN37 7GA
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From: Geoff Finch
Department for Transport
28 June 2011
Mr Turner,
I attach a letter in response to your email received on 21 June by the FOI
advice team at the DfT which is self explanatory.
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From: Mark Turner
1 July 2011
Dear Department for Transport,
Thank you for the standard paragraph response to my enquiry.
I am seeking an assurance that the Department and SoS has carried
out their Duty of Care in respect of public administration as
outlined in OGEC (Office of the Deputy Prime Minister) guidance in
risk managemnt to the public/consumer.
With the introduction of a requirement to have all motor vehicles
insured even if declared off road to DoT a significant change in
policy was declared.
The impacts of this policy should have been assessed and recorded
on a Risk management and Issues log by the Project Manager or Team
Leader assigned authority in considering this legislative change.
This is a requirement underscored by PRINCE 2 methodology which all
Government Departments work to.
In relation to this policy change I am seeking sight of that
assessment to establish whether or not the policy was correctly
assessed for impact to the British Public.
the current application of this policy by motor insurers is that
they are happy to have the requirement but only insure on the basis
of 3rd party as a minimum requirement, this risk assessment on
their part being to cover road use and damage to others.
The basis of their thinking, I have been informed, is that they
have no way to establish whether or not the vehicle in question is
actually being used or not and therefore they insure to cover that
risk of it being used.
This should have been included in the risk and/or issue log for
this policy. With this inclusion there will be a comment from the
delegated officer in charge (a direct representative of the SoS in
this case) as to their assessment of this impact, the level of
impact and what mitigation has been considered or secondary
legislation may be required.
The current application of the legislation by insurers is that they
assume I am/will be committing an offence in using a car declared
off road by loading my premium to that level of risk.
I am thereffore being classed as a criminal on public access
records (under DPA legilsation this is shared information therefore
public).
As they offer no potential of cover to meet legislation in that
cars are off road and not being used and yet Government has forced
this change through acting as representatives of the general public
(myself) I am demanding access to how this was seen, viewed and
considered as part of the Policy drafting process.
As this legislation in the current form places all burden on public
while only generating income without risk to private companies
(Insurers) on a profitable basis, I would like to be sure that the
SoS was aware of the potentials of this and the serious negative
impact it generates to family budgets in an already economically
challanged period.
In short, am I being asked to pay more, for less, to the profit of
shareholders and equity companies by Government decree in knowledge
of the potential situation or was the legilsation so poorly
considered and drafted that no recourse or consideration to its
application was given.
A delaration from SoS that the application of the legislation by
Insurance companies was forseen and is allowed would tell me that
this situation was forseen as revenue generation for Insurers. The
public will then be assured that SoS was acting in the interests of
commercial enterprise in favour of individual interest.
Should SoS declare in this response that they were unaware of the
potential and occurance of the present insurance demands it may be
that secondary legislation to curtail profiteering is now in sight
or that representations to the Motor Industry Insurance Board will
be made on citizens behalf.
I trust this is clear enough?
Yours faithfully,
Mark Turner
From: Geoff Finch
Department for Transport
28 July 2011
Dear Mr Turner,
I attach a letter which is self explanatory in response to your email of 1
July 2011 to the FOI advice team at the Department for Transport about
information concerning continuous insurance enforcement. I also attach
the impact assessment.
Yours sincerely,
Geoff Finch
Policy Adviser
Licensing and Insurance Team
Road User Licensing Insurance and Safety Division
Department for Transport
Zone 3/21
Great Minster House
76 Marsham Street
London
SW1P 4DR
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From: Mark Turner
1 August 2011
Dear Geoff Finch,
Thank you for the reply and impact assessment document.
I note that the regulation is to reduce on road use by uninsured
drivers. I note also that the principles of SORN appear to remain
intact.
My issue remains though. I was notified by my insurer that to met
regulation I needed to insure my car which i stated would be off
the road. I was still quoted for 3rd party insurance rate. No
acknowledgement of SORN was offered, I was simply told I must
insure.
I have now scrapped my car rather than pay for it to sit on the
driveway as the insurance companies insisted a payemnt under 3rd
party terms with 1 year a mile travel was essentail.
If this is not the case I again ask, what are the terms of this
regulation, what messages are passed on, was I incorrectly
informed, what measures are in place to rectify?
Yours sincerely,
Mark Turner
From: Geoff Finch
Department for Transport
26 August 2011
Dear Mr Turner,
Thank you for your email of 1 August. I am not treating this as an internal review of a FOI complaint because I consider it to be a follow up question.
Under the Continuous insurance enforcement scheme (CIE) the registered keeper of a vehicle is responsible for ensuring that his or her vehicle has minimum third party insurance cover. If you declare a vehicle off the road with a Statutory Off Road Notification (SORN) then insurance is not required.
Therefore you might want to take up this matter with your insurer if you think that you were given incorrect information.
Yours sincerely,
Geoff Finch
Policy Adviser
Licensing and Insurance Team
Road User Licensing Insurance and Safety Division
Department for Transport
Zone 3/21
Great Minster House
76 Marsham Street
London
SW1P 4DR
Tel: 020 7944 8871
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