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Mr Kirby made this Freedom of Information request to Wirral Metropolitan Borough Council
Wirral Metropolitan Borough Council did not have the information requested.
From: Mr Kirby
6 July 2011
Dear Wirral Borough Council,
Request for info Under FOI
You allow a private company to use CCTV Cars for the purposes of
parking enforcement for example out side of schools.
Does the council hold copies of the INDIVIDUAL'S CCTV LICENCE who
operates the CCTV on the cars ?
Does the council verify that the individuals working for the
private company hold the relevant legal SIA Licence ?
Yours faithfully,
Mr Kirby
From: Corrin, Jane
Wirral Metropolitan Borough Council
11 July 2011
Good Morning,
Thank you for your request below. Please see Council's response which
I hope you find of use to you.
Wirral Council contract NSL Services limited to undertake parking
enforcement including CCTV enforcement from an approved device (a mobile
vehicle).
NSL's Professional Standards team liaise closely with the SIA, who have
told them that a CCTV SIA licence is only required for general public
space surveillance. If officers are carrying out traffic enforcement
only (which is the case), then an SIA licence is not required.
Kind Regards
Jane Corrin
Information Manager
Wirral Council
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From: Mr Kirby [mailto:[FOI #79163 email]]
Sent: 06 July 2011 18:24
To: InfoMgr, FinDMT
Subject: Freedom of Information request - CCTV Cars
Dear Wirral Borough Council,
Request for info Under FOI
You allow a private company to use CCTV Cars for the purposes of
parking enforcement for example out side of schools.
Does the council hold copies of the INDIVIDUAL'S CCTV LICENCE who
operates the CCTV on the cars ?
Does the council verify that the individuals working for the
private company hold the relevant legal SIA Licence ?
Yours faithfully,
Mr Kirby
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From: Mr Kirby
11 July 2011
Dear Corrin, Jane,
I have spoke with the SIA previously and also copied the
legislation here for you. They are feeding you incorrect
information a licence is required for :
A Public Space Surveillance (CCTV) licence is required when manned
guarding activities are carried out through the use of closed
circuit television equipment to:
1.monitor the activities of a member of the public in a public or
private place; or
2.identify a particular person.
This includes the use of CCTV in these cases to record images that
are viewed on non-CCTV equipment, but excludes the use of CCTV
solely to identify a trespasser or protect property.
A Public Space Surveillance (CCTV) licence is required only if your
services are supplied for the purposes of or in connection with any
contract to a consumer
Legislation is here
http://www.sia.homeoffice.gov.uk/Pages/l...
Please confirm your next actions,
Was amazed someone is working this early.
Yours sincerely,
Mr Kirby
From: Corrin, Jane
Wirral Metropolitan Borough Council
11 July 2011
Good Morning,
Thank you for your email, I will re contact the appropriate officer and
come back to you shortly.
Kind Regards
Jane Corrin
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From: Mr Kirby
11 July 2011
Dear Wirral Borough Council,
Ill attempt to clarify it a bit further :
They are in the private sector but
They are in a public place
they are monitoring a public place
they are monitorming the general public
THEY DO NEED A LICENCE BY LAW
please confirm your next actions
Yours faithfully,
Mr Kirby
From: Mr Kirby
12 July 2011
There is a group in the south east who have been closely examining
the licensing and operation of mobile CCTV cars used for parking
and moving traffic offences. They are known as the No To Mob
http://www.notomob.co.uk and so perhaps you may wish to join their
forum to check on the requirements of not only SIA but also
certification by the VCA.
Can you Please reply to my email and not go off the subject - we
are the north west not the south east and this is to do with your
council using them not the south east or any other council using
them,
I have show you legislation that confirms that they are required
under the private security act to hold a CCTV licence, You are not
aware of them holding one,
What are your next actions ?
From: Corrin, Jane
Wirral Metropolitan Borough Council
18 July 2011
Good Morning,
Thank you for your request below. Please see Council's response
which I hope you find of use to you.
The Council have contacted SIA for a written statement in relation to
your enquiry which is below.
SIA Contact Centre Statement
Mobile enforcement officers working for the council are exempt from the
CCTV licence. If you have any further enquiries please visit the
Frequently Asked Questions page on our website or call SIA on 0844 892
1025 from 8am - 8pm Monday to Friday.
Kind Regards
Jane Corrin
Information Manager
Wirral Council
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are
free to use it for your own purposes, including any non commercial
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other
reuse, for example commercial publication, would require our
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permission, may involve licensing and the application of a charge
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From: Mr Kirby
21 July 2011
Dear Corrin, Jane,
Please also supply your email to the sia, did you tell the sia it
is a private company and not part of the council ?
Yours sincerely,
Mr Kirby
From: Corrin, Jane
Wirral Metropolitan Borough Council
21 July 2011
Good Afternoon,
Thank you for your email below, please see copies of email correspondence
also below and I hope you find the information of use.
Please note - The mobile enforcement officers are working for Wirral
Council under contract through NSL.
The enquiry by NSL to SIA on our behalf makes it clear they are a company
working for Wirral Council and the response from the SIA is unambiguous.
As the officers concerned are working for the Council, they are exempt.
Email Content
"We carry out CCTV enforcement for Wirral Borough Council. Our CCTV is
mobile and is attached to a Toyota IQ. The CCTV is used for traffic
enforcement only and is only used to capture vehicle information. The
vehicle does not monitor any movements of the general public and is not
used for any security issues or to identify any person involved in parking
contraventions. Please could you confirm that parking enforcement officers
do not need a SIA licence to carry out their duties in such a vehicle?"
Email response
"Thank you for your email to the SIA.
Mobile enforcement officers working for the council are exempt from the
CCTV licence. If you have any further enquiries please visit the
Frequently Asked Questions page on our website or call us on 0844 892 1025
from 8am - 8pm Monday to Friday."
Kind Regards
Jane Corrin
Information Manager
Wirral Council
This information supplied to you is copyrighted and continues to be
protected by the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988. You are free to
use it for your own purposes, including any non commercial research you
are doing and for the purposes of news reporting. Any other reuse, for
example commercial publication, would require our specific permission, may
involve licensing and the application of a charge Dear Wirral Borough
Council,
Dear Corrin, Jane,
Please also supply your email to the sia, did you tell the sia it
is a private company and not part of the council ?
Yours sincerely,
Mr Kirby
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From: Mr Kirby
21 July 2011
Dear Corrin, Jane,
They say working for the council they are not working for you they
are working on behalf of it. I have called them today and they said
you do need a licence may I suggest you email them this to see the
reply
Wirral council contracts NSL Ltd, and is not part of the council
but works on behalf of them and are a private limited company and
none of it's employees are working for the council only on behalf I
am sure you will get a different answer
Yours sincerely,
Mr Kirby
From: Corrin, Jane
Wirral Metropolitan Borough Council
21 July 2011
Good Afternoon,
Thank you for your email below. Just to assist and clarify the
situation for you with regard to how Freedom of Information (FOI)
requests regime works.
The FOI legislation exists to allow for copies of recorded information
to be requested from public bodies by organisations or individuals.
You have made a request to us and we have complied, disclosing copies of
the recorded information we have, in relation to your enquiry. The
Council is now satisfied that your request has been completed as we have
no more recorded information to disclose to you.
Individuals may or may not agree with the content matter they are
provided with under FOI; but the crux is that requests made under FOI
are for copies of recorded information only, held by a public body.
The Council has no more recorded information with regard to SIA to
disclose to you and your request is now considered completed.
Kind Regards
Jane Corrin
Information Manager
Wirral Council
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From: Mr Kirby
21 July 2011
Dear Corrin, Jane,
So you clearly bow avoiding a situation that may become complicated
! Same old Wirral council.
Enjoy your day
Yours sincerely,
Mr Kirby
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Tim Kaufman left an annotation (12 July 2011)
There is a group in the south east who have been closely examining the licensing and operation of mobile CCTV cars used for parking and moving traffic offences. They are known as the No To Mob http://www.notomob.co.uk and so perhaps you may wish to join their forum to check on the requirements of not only SIA but also certification by the VCA.
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