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CCTV cameras in Thornbury

David Martin made this Freedom of Information request to South Gloucestershire Council

The request was partially successful.

From: David Martin

20 April 2010

Dear South Gloucestershire Council,

Please provide the following information related to CCTV cameras,
which are operated by, or on behalf of, South Gloucestershire
Council, and located in Thornbury.

1. Schools
Whilst there are CCTV cameras visibly mounted on the exterior walls
of Thornbury’s secondary school provision (The Castle School, The
Castle School Sixth Form Centre, Marlwood School), there seem to be
no CCTV cameras at Thornbury’s primary/special needs schools (St.
Mary’s CofE VA Primary School, Manorbrook Primary School, Christ
the King Catholic Primary School, New Siblands School, Crossways
Junior School, Crossways Infant School, Gillingstool Primary
School) – please confirm that there are no exterior CCTV cameras at
these seven Thornbury schools, or alternatively indicate which of
them do have exterior CCTV cameras.

2. Car parks
a) St. Mary Street car park
This car park is a CCTV zone with no obvious cameras within its
perimeter – please confirm that the dome camera mounted above Giggs
Hair and Beauty Salon and the dome camera in the St. Mary Centre’s
Service Yard B are cameras which provide coverage of the car park.
If these cameras do indeed monitor the car park, please indicate
whether they are dedicated exclusively to monitoring the car park,
or otherwise indicate the time/cost sharing arrangement with the St
Mary Centre. If there are other cameras, apart from the
aforementioned ones, which monitor the car park, then please
indicate the precise locations of those cameras.
b) Rock Street car park
This car park is a CCTV zone with no obvious cameras within its
perimeter – please confirm that the dome camera mounted above the
Rock Street entrance to the St. Mary Centre is a camera which
provides coverage of the car park. If this camera does indeed
monitor the car park, please indicate whether it is dedicated
exclusively to monitoring the car park, or otherwise indicate the
time/cost sharing arrangement with the St Mary Centre. If there are
other cameras, apart from the aforementioned one, which monitor the
car park, then please indicate the precise locations of those
cameras.
c) Castle Court (short stay) car park
Please indicate how many Penalty Charge Notices (PCNs) were issued
for this car park, during the financial years 2008/09 and 2009/10,
and of those, how many were postal PCNs issued from evidence gained
from the four CCTV cameras. Please show figures for each financial
year separately.
d) Castle Court (long stay) car park
Please indicate how many PCNs were issued for this car park, during
the financial years 2008/09 and 2009/10, and of those, how many
were postal PCNs issued from evidence gained from the two CCTV
cameras. Please show figures for each financial year separately.

3. Public surveillance
a) Thornbury’s new CCTV system
There was an upgrade of CCTV cameras used for public surveillance
in Thornbury town centre, reportedly funded by a £25,000 grant from
the Home Office, with the new cameras being fully operational from
September 2009. Please confirm that these cameras include the three
dome cameras in the High Street (on the corners of the following
buildings: T&J Owen florist, Thornbury Town Hall, 67 High Street).
If there are other cameras included in this new system, then please
indicate their precise location.
b) Functioning of the new system
A Thornbury police source has stated that the new CCTV cameras have
not been functioning for some considerable period, after being
incapacitated during a severe electrical storm. Please indicate the
veracity of this statement, and, if it is true, please indicate the
date on which the new CCTV system ceased functioning, and the
expected date of return to operational use.
c) Other non-parking public surveillance
Please give the precise locations of all other cameras operated by,
or on behalf of, South Gloucestershire Council in Thornbury, which
monitor crime and antisocial behaviour, and indicate in the
response, whether the caged dome camera, above the McColl’s shop,
at the parade of shops in Oakleaze Road, is one of them.

Yours faithfully,

David Martin

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From: CorporateContactCentre
South Gloucestershire Council

20 April 2010

Thank you for your email which has been forwarded to the Freedom of Information Office.

Corporate Contact Centre
Chief Executive & Corporate Resources Department
Tel: 01454-868009
e-mail: [South Gloucestershire Council request email]

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From: Freedom Of Information
South Gloucestershire Council

13 May 2010

Thank you for your recent request for information under the Freedom of
Information Act, which was received by the Complaints & FOI Team.

Your request will now be considered in accordance with the Act by our
Children & Young People, Community Services and Planning, Transportation &
Strategic Environment teams.

The 20 day period for considering your request commenced on 20th April
2010.

In the event that the information you have requested is to be disclosed,
it will be sent to you no later than 19th May 2010. If we cannot respond
by that date then we will write to again.

Yours sincerely

Verity Britton

FOI Monitor

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From: Freedom Of Information
South Gloucestershire Council

13 May 2010

Good Morning Mr Martin,

Please see a response to your questions under the FOI act as requested.

Kind Regards

FOI Monitor.

  Dear South Gloucestershire Council,

Please provide the following information related to CCTV cameras,

which are operated by, or on behalf of, South Gloucestershire

Council, and located in Thornbury.

1. Schools

Whilst there are CCTV cameras visibly mounted on the exterior walls

of Thornbury's secondary school provision (The Castle School, The

Castle School Sixth Form Centre, Marlwood School), there seem to be

no CCTV cameras at Thornbury's primary/special needs schools (St.

Mary's CofE VA Primary School, Manorbrook Primary School, Christ

the King Catholic Primary School, New Siblands School, Crossways

Junior School, Crossways Infant School, Gillingstool Primary

School) - please confirm that there are no exterior CCTV cameras at

these seven Thornbury schools, or alternatively indicate which of

them do have exterior CCTV cameras.

I am sorry to inform you that we do not capture this information so are
unable to answer your questions, you would need to contact South
Gloucestershire schools direct for this information, contact details can
be found on our website

2. Car parks

a) St. Mary Street car park

This car park is a CCTV zone with no obvious cameras within its

perimeter - please confirm that the dome camera mounted above Giggs

Hair and Beauty Salon and the dome camera in the St. Mary Centre's

Service Yard B are cameras which provide coverage of the car park.

If these cameras do indeed monitor the car park, please indicate

whether they are dedicated exclusively to monitoring the car park,

or otherwise indicate the time/cost sharing arrangement with the St

Mary Centre. If there are other cameras, apart from the

aforementioned ones, which monitor the car park, then please

indicate the precise locations of those cameras.

b) Rock Street car park

This car park is a CCTV zone with no obvious cameras within its

perimeter - please confirm that the dome camera mounted above the

Rock Street entrance to the St. Mary Centre is a camera which

provides coverage of the car park. If this camera does indeed

monitor the car park, please indicate whether it is dedicated

exclusively to monitoring the car park, or otherwise indicate the

time/cost sharing arrangement with the St Mary Centre. If there are

other cameras, apart from the aforementioned one, which monitor the

car park, then please indicate the precise locations of those

cameras.

The cameras are owned, maintained and monitored by the St Mary's Centre
not South Gloucestershire Council.

c) Castle Court (short stay) car park

Please indicate how many Penalty Charge Notices (PCNs) were issued

for this car park, during the financial years 2008/09 and 2009/10,

and of those, how many were postal PCNs issued from evidence gained

from the four CCTV cameras. Please show figures for each financial

year separately.

Passed on to our Planning, Transportation & Strategic Environment team for
response.

d) Castle Court (long stay) car park

Please indicate how many PCNs were issued for this car park, during

the financial years 2008/09 and 2009/10, and of those, how many

were postal PCNs issued from evidence gained from the two CCTV

cameras. Please show figures for each financial year separately.

Passed on to our Planning, Transportation & Strategic Environment team for
response.

3. Public surveillance

a) Thornbury's new CCTV system

There was an upgrade of CCTV cameras used for public surveillance

in Thornbury town centre, reportedly funded by a £25,000 grant from

the Home Office, with the new cameras being fully operational from

September 2009. Please confirm that these cameras include the three

dome cameras in the High Street (on the corners of the following

buildings: T&J Owen florist, Thornbury Town Hall, 67 High Street).

This is true information.

If there are other cameras included in this new system, then please

indicate their precise location.

There are none.

b) Functioning of the new system

A Thornbury police source has stated that the new CCTV cameras have

not been functioning for some considerable period, after being

incapacitated during a severe electrical storm. Please indicate the

veracity of this statement, and, if it is true, please indicate the

date on which the new CCTV system ceased functioning, and the

expected date of return to operational use.

This information is false.

c) Other non-parking public surveillance

Please give the precise locations of all other cameras operated by,

or on behalf of, South Gloucestershire Council in Thornbury, which

monitor crime and antisocial behaviour, and indicate in the

response, whether the caged dome camera, above the McColl's shop,

at the parade of shops in Oakleaze Road, is one of them.

There aren't any.

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From: David Martin

13 May 2010

Dear FOI Monitor,

This is an incomplete response – with only section 3 getting
answers, albeit terse ones. So it only partly deals with my
request, and it seems to be a product of inter-departmental
dysfunction. Perhaps Community Services should shed its grumpiness.

1. Schools
I consider this response to be deliberately obstructive. Regardless
of whether the information, which I have requested, is on a
database or not, the schools service is provided by South
Gloucestershire Council’s Directorate of Children & Young People.
Please provide the requested information.

2. Car parks
a) St. Mary Street car park
b) Rock Street car park
I consider these responses to be deliberately obstructive. My
requests were about how the two car parks are given CCTV coverage.
Please provide the requested information.
c) Castle Court (short stay) car park
d) Castle Court (long stay) car park
I will await a response.

3. Public surveillance
a) Thornbury's new CCTV system
Thank you for that.
b) Functioning of the new system
Thank you for that. It is Thornbury’s acting police sergeant who
volunteered that information – perhaps he should be put right.
c) Other non-parking public surveillance
Thank you for that.

Yours sincerely,

David Martin

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From: Freedom Of Information
South Gloucestershire Council

13 May 2010

Please see the response below from our PTSE Dept.

Kind Regards

FOI Monitor

c) Castle Court (short stay) car park

Please indicate how many Penalty Charge Notices (PCNs) were issued

for this car park, during the financial years 2008/09 and 2009/10,

and of those, how many were postal PCNs issued from evidence gained

from the four CCTV cameras. Please show figures for each financial

year separately.

d) Castle Court (long stay) car park

Please indicate how many PCNs were issued for this car park, during

the financial years 2008/09 and 2009/10, and of those, how many

were postal PCNs issued from evidence gained from the two CCTV

cameras. Please show figures for each financial year separately.

Penalty charge notices 2008-2009

Short stay - 382

Long stay - 2

No PCNs issued from evidence from CCTV

Penalty charge notices 2000-2010

Short stay - 318

Long stay - 0

No PCNs issued from evidence from CCTV

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From: David Martin

20 May 2010

Dear Verity Britton,

This is to remind you of your previous reply, in which you stated
that the information that I had requested (about CCTV cameras in
Thornbury) would be sent to me by 19 May 2010. Otherwise, if you
were unable to respond by that date then you would write to me
again.
In my communication of 13 May 2010, I made it clear that, despite
some replies having been received, sections 1, 2a and 2b of my
original request, were unanswered.

Would you now kindly update me about the progress being made in
providing me with the information?

Yours sincerely,

David Martin

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South Gloucestershire Council

20 May 2010

Dear Mr Martin,

Please see additional information from Children and Young People, Street Care will forward a response in due course.

The management and improvement of school sites and premises, including the installation of any security measures rests with the governing body at each school. Local Authorities are no longer required to carry out full and detailed audits of school sites and security measures as schools have local delegated responsibility for decisions and actions.

Yours sincerely,

Verity Britton
FOI Officer

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From: David Martin

31 August 2010

Dear Verity Britton,

I refer to the very long outstanding, unanswered part of my
original request on CCTV in Thornbury (20 April 2010), namely
section 2a) St. Mary Street car park, and 2b) Rock Street car park.

I asked for confirmation that the CCTV cameras, which I specified,
were the ones which provided coverage of those car parks (making
them CCTV zones), or if that were not the case, then I wanted to
know the location of the cameras which actually did provide that
coverage.

On 13 May 2010 South Gloucestershire Council tersely responded as
follows: "The cameras are owned, maintained and monitored by the St
Mary's Centre not South Gloucestershire Council." This does not
provide any confirmation at all, so I can only assume, that the
response means, that I had identified the wrong CCTV cameras.
However, it does not indicate which are the relevant CCTV cameras.

That same day (13 May 2010), I replied:
"2. Car parks
a) St. Mary Street car park
b) Rock Street car park
I consider these responses to be deliberately obstructive. My
requests were about how the two car parks are given CCTV coverage".

On 20 May 2010, I sent a reminder that sections 2a and 2b were
unanswered.

Since then there has been no further response about the CCTV
coverage of these car parks.

Can you now tell me under which FoI exemption you are withholding
this information, or otherwise finally inform me of the location of
the CCTV cameras which cover the two car parks.

Yours sincerely,

David Martin

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From: Rhodri Briggs
South Gloucestershire Council

13 September 2010

Dear David Martin,

I refer to your E-Mail dated 31^st August 2010 and your initial E-Mail
dated 20^th April 2010, in request of information relating to CCTV Cameras
in Thornbury.

I must re-iterate the information that was provided in reply to your above
requests. We as a Council, only have Three public surveillance CCTV
cameras on Thornbury High Street

at locations that were provided to you. We cannot provide you with
information that we have no control over (Q.2. of you original E-mail, St
Mary Street

car park and Rock Street car park). These cameras are not owned, operated
or maintained by South Gloucestershire Council, they are the property of
the St Marys Centre,

a privately run shopping precinct in Thornbury.

I have spoken to the Centre Manager, Mr Alan Cole and he is willing for
you to contact him in relation to your queries. To quote from your E-Mail,
we are not being deliberately obstructive

Or withholding information to your request, we just cannot provide you
with information that is outside our control.

The address if you wish to contact Mr Cole is:-

St Marys Centre

8, Quaker Lane

Thornbury

Bristol

BS35 2AD

If you have any further queries Mr Martin please contact us again.

Yours Sincerely

Rod Briggs

CCTV Manager

South Gloucestershire Council

01454 864413

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