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From: Gavin Donald
30 July 2009
Dear Sir or Madam,
I am hoping that you can clarify some information that I have come
across from many sources across many countries that all make the
same claim. My request is of course limited to the United Kingdom
and its territories.
1) When an event of live birth is recorded in the registrars books,
is a bond then attached to that certificate that represents the
potential value of the child to society?
2) If so who is the recipient of the bond that acts as the
fiduciary representative for the child who's birth event was
recorded?
Yours faithfully,
Gavin-Charles: Donald
General Register Office
30 July 2009
Thank you for your email which will be responded to within 5 working days.
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From: Hughes Selwyn
General Register Office
3 August 2009
Dear Mr Donald,
Thank you for your email of 30 July.
A registration of birth is simply making a legal record that the birth has
taken place, and recording the details relating to that birth that are
required in law to be recorded. A certified copy (a "certificate" ) is a
true copy of what that register entry contains. There is no "bond"
attached to the certificate or the register entry. In case it may be a
source of confusion in this instance, can I mention here that the serial
number shown on each certificate is a number that identifies that
certificate (each certificate being individually numbered). It does not
relate to any bond!
I hope this is helpful.
Selwyn Hughes
Communications Manager
Identity and Passport Service | General Register Office | Communications
and Business Support | Room 208 Smedley Hydro | Trafalgar Road | Southport
| PR8 2HH
T: 0151 471 4242 | M: 07724 108 566 | E: [email address]
To find out more about the General Register Office, visit
[1]www.direct.gov.uk/gro
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From: Gavin Donald
4 August 2009
Dear Hughes Selwyn,
Thankyou for your reply.
For clarification, on full penality of perjury and on your full
commercial liabiilty could you answer the following two questions:
1) Can you please re-confirm that in no way is a Bond, Gilt or any
other form of valuable consideration attached to a Birth
Certificate, Certificate of Live Birth or any other document
created from the information provided either by the parents of a
child or under section 17(2) of the Registration of Births,
Marriages and Deaths Act (Scotland):
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.asp...
that has value to any government organisation or private
organisation by either your office or another office with which you
have communications?
2) I notice that you also provide information on the numbers that
appear on the Birth Certificates that was not asked for. I can only
assume that you (your office) have delt with such information
requests before. Can you confirm that is the case and whether or
not you have used a scripted reply?
I expect that the answers you provide will settle the matter for me
and I thank you for adding clarity to this issue. I trust you will
accept my apologies for asking for the clarification that I ask for
in question 1) above.
Yours sincerely,
Gavin-Charles: Donald
From: Hughes Selwyn
General Register Office
6 August 2009
Dear Mr Donald,
I can confirm that there is no bond, gilt or suchlike attached to a
birth registration or birth certificate as part of the registration
process. The registration process is purely to ensure that the birth is
recorded as having taken place and registered according to law. I should
add that you have made this request to ourselves in the General Register
Office (GRO)for England and Wales : there is a separate GRO (Scotland),
which administers Scottish registration law, but I can confirm that the
same principles apply in Scotland and no such bond or gilt is attached
to registrations there either.
In my previous response I mentioned the numbers on a birth certificate.
I did that because I'd just seen a similar query on the
whatdotheyknow.com website in which the enquirer thought that these
numbers referred to a bond or gilt, so I thought that it may help to
mention that! But no, I wasn't working from a scripted reply, and I'm
sorry if you already knew that information or didn't need it.
I hope this helps answer your query.
Selwyn Hughes
Communications Manager
Identity and Passport Service | General Register Office | Communications
and Business Support | Room 208 Smedley Hydro | Trafalgar Road |
Southport | PR8 2HH
T: 0151 471 4242 | M: 07724 108 566 | E: [email address]
To find out more about the General Register Office, visit
www.direct.gov.uk/gro
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From: Gavin Donald
6 August 2009
Dear Hughes Selwyn,
Although I knew the numbers on the birth certificate had some
controversy surrounding them in certain circles I did not know they
were simply sequential so the information was useful and I thank
you for including it.
I also thank you for your patience in this matter and now consider
it closed.
Yours sincerely,
Gavin-Charles: Donald
Anthony Mark Watson left an annotation (17 March 2011)
SO DOES THIS MEAN THE Accepted For Value AFV is a none starter in the UK? If not what documents are needed please? Or can one write their own personal BCB?
Ian Rossiter left an annotation (29 March 2011)
I believe it is possible to draw-up a personal Berth (sic) Certificate Bond: but what to do with it then? My research shows that it can be sent, along with other documentation, to Tim Geithner, Secretary to the US Treasury, c/o 1500 Pennyslvania Avenue NW Washington D.C (20220) as part of the UCC-1 (Uniform Commercial Code) filing procedure. It also needs to be 'Accepted for Value'. My research continues.....
rodney left an annotation (19 June 2011)
punch into search engine phidelity.com go to search ? punch in first two letters of birth cert box appears asks for NI number there is your NI bond number access is UCC1 but how as the UK has no form unless it is in the white book traded New York stock exchange registered through Wasington DC stored in Peurto Rico need to find correct form here to send to US
US is still paying us debt money back Through IRS system And aonetary laws are agreed by the queens signature on documents so who owns America
Ian Rossiter left an annotation (19 June 2011)
@ Rodney. I think you mean "Fidelity.com": Phidelity.com is a 'music' site.
Ian Rossiter left an annotation (19 June 2011)
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