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T. Newell made this Freedom of Information request to Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea

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From: T. Newell

30 June 2010

Dear Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea,
I have a problem with the resident parking for Motorbikes, it seams
that you have sited most of the bike bays [both resident and free]
under trees causing the bikes parked below getting covered in bird
droppings.its not much fun coming out in the morning to get to work
only to have to return home for a bucket of water and a brush..
In some cases you have sited bike bays opposite each other [
Marloes road is a good example] making it difficult for other
transport to get passed, I have seen bikes on their side after
being hit by a passing vehicle.
I think that those that are in charge of planing have no idea how
much people spend on their bike and scooters, a top of the range
bike from any manufacturer can be in excess of £12.000 and in some
cases over £20,000. yet you continue to treat us as second class
residents where anything you do for us we have to be grateful for,
yet cyclists, who pay nothing, have probably thousands spent on
their security fittings in the borough.
Whilst I understand it can be a problem to find sites to place bike
bays, it is not a great idea to site them in a quiet corner of a
street where it attracts the unwanted attention of the local bike
thief.
One last thing, you give a discount for taking an advanced riders
coarse or Bike safe day, this is very generous but if a 16 year old
gets a new scooter/bike for his birthday and applies for a resident
parking bay permit,,,it would be impossible for him or her to have
taken an advanced coarse before his birthday so no discount, they
would have to wait a whole year to gain the benefit,,,this I think
is unfair, surly you could offer the first year at a discount for
new residents and charge the going rate from the second year to
give the person a chance to take a bike safe day etc;

Yours faithfully,

Yours faithfully,

T. Newell

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Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea

30 June 2010

Dear Mr Newell

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST REF: 2010-444

I am writing to confirm that we received your information request on 30 June 2010. For your information and future communications, your request has been allocated the reference number FOI2010-444. Please quote this reference in any future correspondence.

We will consider your request and respond in accordance with the requirements of the Freedom of Information Act 2000. Our duty is to respond promptly or at least within 20 working days.

Regards
Shayne Smith
Records Manager
Business Protection Team
Information Systems Division (ISD)
The Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
Room N108, First Floor,
Kensington Town Hall, W8 7NX
T: 020 7938 8538
www.rbkc.gov.uk

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Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea

16 July 2010

Dear Sir/Madam,

Freedom of Information request: FOI2010-444

I am responding to your request for information held by this Council under
the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

I am able to provide you with the following information:

The majority of the residents’ motorcycle permit bays were created by
converting existing parking bays or visitor motorcycle bays. The sites
were selected based on a policy of providing new bays in sufficient
numbers across the borough so that all residents were only a few
minutes’ walk from their nearest residents’ motorcycle permit bay. We
have a large number of trees located on the footway. However, in future,
where possible, consideration will be given to the effects of bird
droppings when we introduce new permit or solo (visitor) motorcycle bays.

A large number of our parking bays of all types are situated opposite
other parking bays. This is unavoidable as we try and meet the demand for
parking.

We do not treat resident motorcyclists as ‘second class residents’.
For example, the introduction of the residents’ motorcycle permit bays,
including the installation of security devices, involved an expenditure of
over £300,000.

Your comment regarding placing a motorcycle bay in ‘a quiet corner of a
street’ has been noted.

We are currently reviewing the cost of the permit which allows residents
to park in residents’ motorcycle bays.

Yours faithfully,

Kirk Deane

Senior Engineer

Traffic and Transportation Policy Service

The Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea

Council Offices, 37 Pembroke Road, London W8 6PW

Tel: 020 7361 2553

Email: [1][email address]/Website:www.rbkc.gov.uk

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From: T. Newell

16 July 2010

Dear Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea,

Dear Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea,
Thank you for getting back to me, I have a couple of things to
point out,
you say,
"A large number of our parking bays of all types are situated
opposite other parking bays. This is unavoidable as we try and meet
the demand for
parking"
I don't think you understand, I'm not bothered about car parking
being opposite a bike bay or a car bay being opposite a car bay,
I'm more concerned with Bike bays being opposite bike bays, for
example in Marlowe road 70 yards behind the Cromwell Hospital on
the junction of Lexham Gardens, There the traffic has to almost
filter to pass the bikes, and on the odd occasion, take a chance
and squeeze past and hit the front wheel of a bike.I'm sure that I
don't have to tell you how dangerous that can be, the owner of the
bike that's been hit, has no idea his steering could have been
damaged and only finds out when hes riding home and his front wheel
decided to collapse on him, resulting in a hospital visit

"The majority of the residents’ motorcycle permit bays were created
by converting existing parking bays or visitor motorcycle bays"
Once again you are misinformed. The bike bay outside the wine shop
on the corner of Marlowe Road and Stratford Road used to be 3
parking spaces down Stratford road [outside the fruit and veg shop
where there are no trees]
you decided for whatever reason to move it around the corner under
a tree. Surly if you can move a bike bay just like that,,,you could
also move the other bird dropping bays to a cleaner environment.
after all you could just swap a car bay [without trees] for a bike
bay [with trees] cars drivers don't sit on their roofs, and they
are used to parking under tree, like you say there are so many
trees in the borough.
Thank you for pointing out the expenditure on motorcycle parking
bays for residents, the plain truth is no one uses them because of
the hike in permit cost from £18 to £80+ so all in all a bit of a
waste of council tax payers money.
lets face it, It don't take a lot to make the minority happy,,,it
takes even less to upset them

Yours faithfully,

T.Newell

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Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea

19 July 2010

Dear Sir/Madam,

Thank you for your email.

I am sorry about the misunderstanding about the specific motorcycle bays in Marloes Road, situated opposite each other. Both used to be car parking bays and were converted to motorcycle bays some years back. The motorcycle bay in Stratford Road was introduced by converting a car parking bay, in this
case a pay and display bay. It was then re-positioned around the corner in Marloes Road on another car parking bay (again a pay and display bay). The motorcycle bay in Stratford Road was converted back to a car parking bay. I accept that we did not take note of the effect of trees and will try do so
in future. One of the reasons we moved the bay was that on two separate occasions bikes were observed to have been knocked over by vehicles delivering to the shops.

Please do not hesitate to contact me on 020 7361 2553 if you would like to discuss these issues.

Kind regards,

Kirk Deane
Senior Engineer
Traffic and Transportation Policy Service
The Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
Council Offices, 37 Pembroke Road, London W8 6PW
Tel: 020 7361 2553
Email: [email address]/Website:www.rbkc.gov.uk

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From: T. Newell

29 July 2010

Dear Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea,
Once again, thank you for getting back to me. I have had a chat
with the owners of the shops in Stratford road and was informed
that the bike bay was re-located after they complained they
couldn't unload there own van outside their shop...no mention of
bikes being knocked over.
One thing I would like to know is How come I pay £138 to park my
vehicle in the residents parking bays, that allows me 18 feet of
space [the maximum allowance by the council for a vehicle] Yet I
pay £88 to park my Motorcycle in the residents parking bays [Not
the resident bike bays] I have to park my Motorcycle 90 degrees to
the pavement so the total amount taken up by me bike is
approximately 3 feet...so not being a mathematical genius,, that
works out at £7.60ish per foot for my vehicle and £29.30ish for my
bike...how does that work...?????

on another note, I would like to point out that I think [not being
an expert on logistics] the new push bikes hire system that being
installed in the London area, are in my opinion being fitted the
wrong way around.
The bike are parked into the clamp/fitting facing the curb, this
will force the users to pull the bikes out backwards into the path
of oncoming traffic.
Remember the majority of users of these hire bike will probably be
none owners of bikes and will be unskilled in riding a pedal bike.
After all "cyclist" tend to own their own bikes so won’t be using
the hire scheme. the other danger point will be when they return
the cycle to the rack, they will have to push/ride the bike into
the road to replace them into the clamp, don't forget if the bike
rack is 90% full the removed/replaced bike will have to go in/out
at 90 degrees. This is very dangerous.
It would have been a better option to lower the curb and fit the
clamps so the bike would be pulled out/in whilst having the safety
of the pavement to fit helmets, gloves etc.
The bike rack that has been fitted outside Gloucester road station
is a very good example of a common sense site, being on the
pavement.

Yours faithfully,

Yours faithfully,

T. Newell

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Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea

2 August 2010

Dear Mr Newell,

Thank you for your email.

It is correct that the shop owners wanted the motorcycle bay moved from Stratford Road. However, one of the reasons we agreed to re-position the motorcycle bay was the concern about damage being done to motorcycles if the bay remained where it was. This was because it was situated in an area of
constant vehicle movement with the consequent increased risk of motorcycles being knocked over. I myself witnessed two motorcycles that had been knocked over.

This is also one of the reasons we introduced the resident permit motorcycle bays and have priced the “motorcycle only” permits such that it would act as an incentive for motorcycle users to use the motorcycle bays we have provided. One of the reasons that the combined motorcycle permit is the same
price as a Band 2 car permit is because it is difficult to estimate the CO2 emissions for motorcycles as the tax banding is on engine size rather than CO2 emissions. Also the CO2 emissions of some, particularly large, motorcycles is significantly greater than those from a Band 1 car.

I have copied in my colleague Miss Crystal Quadros who will reply to your comments concerning the London Cycle Hire Scheme.

Kind regards,

Kirk Deane
Senior Engineer
Traffic and Transportation Policy Service
The Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
Council Offices, 37 Pembroke Road, London W8 6PW
Tel: 020 7361 2553
Email: [email address]/Website:www.rbkc.gov.uk

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From: T. Newell

2 August 2010

Dear Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea,

surly this CO2 with bikes cant be fair, What you are saying is if I
buy a 50 cc moped or a 1500cc Gold wing I will have to pay the same
to park it in the residents car bays???????
as for moving the bike bay because of high volume of traffic in
Stratford road,,,how come you don't move the two bike bays opposite
each other in Marloes Road...the traffic is by far higher..
might I make a suggestion? move the two bike bays in Marloes Road
around the corner into Lexham Gardens, the first two pay and
display bays on the south west corner would be perfect for this [No
trees] and return the bike bays to pay and display...after all as
you pointed out that's what you did in Stratford road [moved them
around the corner]

Yours faithfully,

T. Newell

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Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea

3 August 2010

Dear Mr Newell,

Thank you for your email and for elaborating on the points you have made. We will consider this feedback when considering future options for motorcycle parking in the borough. We will also look into the possibility of re-positioning one or both of the motorcycle bays in Marloes Road near the
junction with Lexham Gardens.

Kind regards,

Kirk Deane
Senior Engineer
Traffic and Transportation Policy Service
The Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
Council Offices, 37 Pembroke Road, London W8 6PW
Tel: 020 7361 2553
Email: [email address]/Website:www.rbkc.gov.uk

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Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea

3 August 2010

Dear Mr. Newell,

Thank you for your email.

I can confirm that the bicycles for the Cycle Hire scheme are not
installed/fitted the wrong way around (for those installed in the
carriageway). We have indeed installed some docking stations on pavements,
where these are very wide. In most locations, however, there is not
sufficient space to reverse cycles onto the pavement. Other cycle hire
schemes in Europe also have docking stations in the carriageway, using the
same configuration, with the docking points at the kerb edge.

The scheme has been subject to a road safety audit, and further checks
will be carried out by TfL now that the scheme is operational. In my own
experience, however, I have not had any difficulties removing cycles from
the docking points and pulling them out slightly into the road, when there
are gaps in traffic.

Once again, thank you for your comments/feedback. If you have any other
questions or queries, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Kind regards,

Miss Crystal Quadros | Project Manager - London Cycle Hire Scheme |
Traffic and Transportation Policy

Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea | Council Offices, 37 Pembroke
Road, London W8 6PW

Telephone: 0207 361 2738 | Fax: 0207 361 2796

Email: [1][email address] | Website:
[2]www.rbkc.gov.uk/cyclehire

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