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Ian King made this Freedom of Information request to Dorset County Council
The request was successful.
From: Ian King
26 September 2011
Dear Dorset County Council,
Could you please tell me how many training programs or even what
materials you have to provide Council employees, or for display in
all your public areas that brings an understanding of the huge
number of false allegations against Men for rape, domestic violence
and other "Abuses" and also the almost equally undertaken Domestic
abuse of Men by Women?
What materials do you use to promote or advise on these issues in
your public spaces? What training and information do you provide
staff on these matters?
Yours faithfully,
Ian King
Dorset County Council
26 September 2011
We acknowledge receipt of your request for information.
This will now be passed to the relevant area(s) of the authority and a
response sent within 20 working days.
If for any reason we cannot respond in full within 20 days, we will let you
know.
"This e-mail is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain information about individuals or other sensitive information and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error, kindly disregard the content of the message and notify the sender immediately. Please be aware that all email may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation."
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Dorset County Council
26 September 2011
Dear Mr King
I am writing further to your email below.
Dorset County Council does not run training courses specifically about
false allegations of abuse or domestic violence. However please find
attached our Domestic Violence and Abuse Guidance for Employees & Mangers
which aims to raise awareness of domestic violence.
Also I have included a link to our website page about domestic violence and
abuse.
http://www.dorsetforyou.com/index.jsp?ar...
http://insite/media/pdf/l/f/DV_Guidance_...
If you are not completely satisfied with my response, please contact me
again, or write to the complaints officer at: Dorset County Council, County
Hall, Colliton Park, Dorchester, Dorset DT1 1XJ. Or you can follow the
complaints procedure that can be found on our website www.dorsetforyou.com
at http://212.104.140.176/index.jsp?article... If your appeal is
not resolved to your satisfaction, you have the right to apply to the
Information Commissioner for a decision.
Yours sincerely
Freedom of Information Team
Dorset County Council
Ian King
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Subject
Freedom of Information request -
Awareness training and public
display of material relating to
false allegations and Male D.V
Dear Dorset County Council,
Could you please tell me how many training programs or even what
materials you have to provide Council employees, or for display in
all your public areas that brings an understanding of the huge
number of false allegations against Men for rape, domestic violence
and other "Abuses" and also the almost equally undertaken Domestic
abuse of Men by Women?
What materials do you use to promote or advise on these issues in
your public spaces? What training and information do you provide
staff on these matters?
Yours faithfully,
Ian King
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From: Ian King
26 September 2011
Dear Dorset County Council,
I notice one link does not work (second) and the other goes to a
page with well documented massaged or incorrect statistical
propaganda regarding D.V on Woman (very common) but no data on Men
of course.
I also note the propaganda you use does not give reference to the
sources of this information. Could you please see to it that the
sources for the statistical data you quote are displayed here and
on the web page you linked as it may benefit from some
investigation and rebuttal.
Yours faithfully,
Ian King
Dorset County Council
26 September 2011
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response sent within 20 working days.
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know.
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Dorset County Council
26 September 2011
Dear Mr King
Thank you for your email below.
Apologies for link not working correctly. I have now attached the document
as a pdf.
Yours sincerely
Freedom of Information Team
Dorset County Council
(See attached file: DV_Guidance_Final_March_2011_R.pdf)
Ian King
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Re: Freedom of Information request
- Awareness training and public
display of material relating to
false allegations and Male D.V
Dear Dorset County Council,
I notice one link does not work (second) and the other goes to a
page with well documented massaged or incorrect statistical
propaganda regarding D.V on Woman (very common) but no data on Men
of course.
I also note the propaganda you use does not give reference to the
sources of this information. Could you please see to it that the
sources for the statistical data you quote are displayed here and
on the web page you linked as it may benefit from some
investigation and rebuttal.
Yours faithfully,
Ian King
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From: Ian King
26 September 2011
Dear Dorset County Council,
Thank you for correcting the link. However this does not answer the
question of where your source information comes from to prove 1 in
4 women will experience domestic violence, which we know is a
fiction.
I also not that your Councils guidance is mostly taken from Women's
groups, some of Which are deeply questionable on Agenda. Could you
again please confirm the Source of your claim of 1 in 4 women as
expressed on your website and tell me what Men's groups or
charities do you consult and work with on the issue of Domestic
violence?
Yours faithfully,
Ian King
Dorset County Council
26 September 2011
We acknowledge receipt of your request for information.
This will now be passed to the relevant area(s) of the authority and a
response sent within 20 working days.
If for any reason we cannot respond in full within 20 days, we will let you
know.
"This e-mail is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain information about individuals or other sensitive information and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error, kindly disregard the content of the message and notify the sender immediately. Please be aware that all email may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation."
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Advocacy Fund left an annotation (10 October 2011)
The following provides the most useful Gov stats data showing:
15% - 50% of males are victims of DV
http://www.dewar4research.org/DOCS/DVGov...
Ian King left an annotation (10 October 2011)
Thank you Advocacy fund. I think, after reading this enlightening paper you have provided the Dorset Council should explain their use of this propaganda they sue and elect to adjust it to reflect truth more.
Also to disclose how many Mens rights and Mens domestic violence groups they have "consulted" with on a regular basis at meetings and all consultations, in order to compile their data and base their funding, promotion and support on? Do they also assist the business and profits of Mens groups as they do women's like the Freedom program by sending them people?
I have noticed even their social workers are putting forward (in a rather "persuasive" manner) that women should attend such course and groups as the "Freedom program" which is intended for Female "victims" of D.V, even as part of court cases where the Woman has badly abused and neglected the children?
What groups do they do this for men with?
Dorset County Council
11 October 2011
Dear Mr King
I am writing further to your email below.
Our website page in question was created some time ago and no information
is now held about the source of the statistic used. If you believe this to
be incorrect please feel free to let me know of a more accurate statistic
(and the source) and I will pass it onto the person responsible for the
page.
Please see link below to our page about 'where to get help'. As you will be
able to see there is an Outreach, Refuge and a Male Advice line available
for male victims.
http://www.dorsetforyou.com/dvahelp
If you are not completely satisfied with my response, please contact me
again, or write to the complaints officer at: Dorset County Council, County
Hall, Colliton Park, Dorchester, Dorset DT1 1XJ. Or you can follow the
complaints procedure that can be found on our website www.dorsetforyou.com
at http://212.104.140.176/index.jsp?article... If your appeal is
not resolved to your satisfaction, you have the right to apply to the
Information Commissioner for a decision.
Yours sincerely
Freedom of Information Team
Dorset County Council
Ian King
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Re: Freedom of Information request
- Awareness training and public
display of material relating to
false allegations and Male D.V
Dear Dorset County Council,
Thank you for correcting the link. However this does not answer the
question of where your source information comes from to prove 1 in
4 women will experience domestic violence, which we know is a
fiction.
I also not that your Councils guidance is mostly taken from Women's
groups, some of Which are deeply questionable on Agenda. Could you
again please confirm the Source of your claim of 1 in 4 women as
expressed on your website and tell me what Men's groups or
charities do you consult and work with on the issue of Domestic
violence?
Yours faithfully,
Ian King
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From: Ian King
11 October 2011
Dear Dorset County Council,
I do believe if you read the annotations on this page given by
others, that information has already been given to you. Please see
that this is corrected.
I also remind you as it is you publishing this baseless propaganda
it is incumbent on you to satisfy enquirers that it is correct and
based on solid fact and to show your source.
Yours faithfully,
Ian King
Dorset County Council
11 October 2011
We acknowledge receipt of your request for information.
This will now be passed to the relevant area(s) of the authority and a
response sent within 20 working days.
If for any reason we cannot respond in full within 20 days, we will let you
know.
"This e-mail is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain information about individuals or other sensitive information and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error, kindly disregard the content of the message and notify the sender immediately. Please be aware that all email may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation."
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From: Ian King
25 October 2011
Dear Dorset County Council,
As advised by a reminder form the whatdotheyknow website I am
reminding you that I am still awaiting source of your statistics,
recognition of the information you have been provided with and the
other questions put to you in this inquiry.
Yours faithfully,
Ian King
From: Ian King
22 November 2011
Dear Dorset County Council,
Still waiting, you are long overdue.
Yours faithfully,
Ian King
Dorset County Council
23 November 2011
Dear Mr King
Please can you confirm what questions you have unanswered? As far as I can
see all questions relating to this particular request have now been
answered.
Yours sincerely
Freedom of Information Team
Dorset County Council
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From: Ian King
23 November 2011
Thank you for correcting the link. However this does not answer the
question of where your source information comes from to prove 1 in
4 women will experience domestic violence, which we know is a
fiction.
I also not that your Councils guidance is mostly taken from
Women'sgroups, some of Which are deeply questionable on Agenda.
Could you again please confirm the Source of your claim of 1 in 4
women as expressed on your website and tell me what Men's groups
orcharities do you consult and work with on the issue of Domestic
violence?
The question was clear, you have been provided with some data by
another person on here and I still await the answer to this.
Dorset County Council
23 November 2011
We acknowledge receipt of your request for information.
This will now be passed to the relevant area(s) of the authority and a
response sent within 20 working days.
If for any reason we cannot respond in full within 20 days, we will let you
know.
Please ensure all responses to this mail are addressed to
[Dorset County Council request email]
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Dorset County Council
23 November 2011
Dear Mr King
As stated in a previous email the source of the information on our website
is no longer held as the page was created some time ago. On the same email
I provided you with a link to our page about 'where to get help'. This page
gives the details of any men's groups we work with on the issue.
If you are not happy with the contents of on any of our webpages you need
to make a formal complaint as this cannot be dealt with under the Freedom
of Information Act 2000, as you are not requesting information. Please see
a link to the relevant complaints page on dorsetforyou.
http://www.dorsetforyou.com/358242
Also just to make you aware we do not visit the whatdotheyknow website so
we are unable to see any comments or data added by yourself or other users
unless sent directly to us in the form of an email.
If you are not completely satisfied with my response, please contact me
again, or write to the complaints officer at: Dorset County Council, County
Hall, Colliton Park, Dorchester, Dorset DT1 1XJ. Or you can follow the
complaints procedure that can be found on our website www.dorsetforyou.com
at http://212.104.140.176/index.jsp?article... If your appeal is
not resolved to your satisfaction, you have the right to apply to the
Information Commissioner for a decision.
Yours sincerely
Freedom of Information Team
Dorset County Council
Ian King
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- Awareness training and public
display of material relating to
false allegations and Male D.V
Thank you for correcting the link. However this does not answer the
question of where your source information comes from to prove 1 in
4 women will experience domestic violence, which we know is a
fiction.
I also not that your Councils guidance is mostly taken from
Women'sgroups, some of Which are deeply questionable on Agenda.
Could you again please confirm the Source of your claim of 1 in 4
women as expressed on your website and tell me what Men's groups
orcharities do you consult and work with on the issue of Domestic
violence?
The question was clear, you have been provided with some data by
another person on here and I still await the answer to this.
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From: Ian King
24 November 2011
Dear Dorset County Council,
Thank you for stating that you cannot find any proof or provide any
source for misleading and massaged statistics you provide.
It is also noted that despite your claim of "working with men's
groups" the complete lack of any statistical information relating
to Male victims and the complete lack of any funding by your
council for such, is curiously missing.
Yours faithfully,
Ian King
Dorset County Council
24 November 2011
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From: Ian King
24 November 2011
Dear Dorset County Council,
Could you confirm please that you have passed on the information
that was annotated to this page by "The Advocacy fund" relating to
Male D.V to the person responsible for that page and that it will
now be included?
" If you believe this to
be incorrect please feel free to let me know of a more accurate
statistic(and the source) and I will pass it onto the person
responsible for the page."
Yours faithfully,
Ian King
Dorset County Council
24 November 2011
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Ian King left an annotation (24 November 2011)
FYI to readers of this page for expansion on this request and why it is an important issue and maybe for the Councils own re-education.This situation is exactly the same in the UK.
http://www.harrysnews.com/esConcealmenta...
Billy Bob left an annotation (30 November 2011)
What happened to my annotation? was only stating a fact
Richard Taylor left an annotation (30 November 2011)
An annotation has been removed, and the user's attention drawn to our moderation policy at:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/help/reque...
The reasons why the annotation was unacceptable were explained to the user.
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Richard - WhatDoTheyKnow.com volunteer
Ian King left an annotation (30 November 2011)
I would like to thank Richard Taylor for his moderation I would also like to say I welcome any debate or conflicting argument that can supply empirical evidence to refute anything they do not see as reasonable in my requests.
I still await this Councils response.
From: Ian King
15 March 2012
Dear Dorset County Council,
Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of
Information reviews.
I am writing to request an internal review of Dorset County
Council's handling of my FOI request 'Awareness training and public
display of material relating to false allegations and Male D.V'.
The Council has failed or refused to correct what is suspected to
be false statistical information published y the Council on behalf
of certain parties with a political agenda. When requested to
provide a reputable independent source for this information they
have failed to do so.
Please remove this falsehood from the Council website, all it's
publications and materials or provide empirical evidence that the 1
in 4 figure is unarguable fact.
A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is
available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/aw...
Yours faithfully,
Ian King
Dorset County Council
15 March 2012
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Dorset County Council
16 April 2012
Dear Mr King
I refer to your Freedom of Information request relating to "awareness
training and public display of material relating to false allegations and
male D.V." and would apologise for the delay in replying.
I would draw your attention to the amended domestic violence pages on the
County Council's website http://www.dorsetforyou.com/dva. You will see
that this no longer includes statistical reference, but now looks to
provide more details and information as well as signposting to other
support advice, etc.
Yours sincerely
Freedom of Information Team
Dorset County Council
Ian King
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Internal review of Freedom of
Information request - Awareness
training and public display of
material relating to false
allegations and Male D.V
Dear Dorset County Council,
Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of
Information reviews.
I am writing to request an internal review of Dorset County
Council's handling of my FOI request 'Awareness training and public
display of material relating to false allegations and Male D.V'.
The Council has failed or refused to correct what is suspected to
be false statistical information published y the Council on behalf
of certain parties with a political agenda. When requested to
provide a reputable independent source for this information they
have failed to do so.
Please remove this falsehood from the Council website, all it's
publications and materials or provide empirical evidence that the 1
in 4 figure is unarguable fact.
A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is
available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/aw...
Yours faithfully,
Ian King
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From: Ian King
16 April 2012
Dear Dorset County Council,
Thank you for recently and finally, correcting your web page.
The issue in question along with its related subjects are matters
which effect both Sexes. They are all areas that have found
themselves being grossly manipulated and abused for various
"gender-agenda" or other various political/fiscal abuse. As such it
is imperative that they are addressed on a genderless basis with no
perceived or actual priority for either gender. It is as important
to safeguard against the abuses of these issues as it is the actual
issues themselves. In the long run allowing such causes far more
harm than good.
I appreciate the Council finally acknowledge these facts and hope
that a far more balanced approach in all of it's endeavours is
undertaken in future.
Yours faithfully,
Ian King
Dorset County Council
16 April 2012
We acknowledge receipt of your request for information.
This will now be passed to the relevant area(s) of the authority and a
response sent within 20 working days.
If for any reason we cannot respond in full within 20 days, we will let you
know.
Please ensure all responses to this mail are addressed to
[Dorset County Council request email]
"This e-mail is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain information about individuals or other sensitive information and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error, kindly disregard the content of the message and notify the sender immediately. Please be aware that all email may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation."
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Ian King left an annotation (16 April 2012)
I feel it important to add this closing annotation. This is an F.Y.I and not a request for response at this stage.
I observe that the only two programmes for "awareness" you are affiliated with are groups which appear clearly geared for woman and not Mens needs.
http://www.dorsetforyou.com/awareness
The wording used for these groups on your site, as well as their own websites makes this quite clear. It also makes clear some more concerning things. It has been noted previously that these groups, in particular the "Freedom program", have often made quite misandric statements and issued publications which stereotype men. It is also observed that your Social Service dept is used as a vehicle for pushing and promoting this group.
They often appear to generally propagate the misandric viewpoint that only men can be perpetrators and that women are never responsible for, or perpetrate anything. This of course is clearly unacceptable on the basis of gender equality as well as much evidence to the contrary.
I would like to bring attention to their poster which I have placed here for you:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2hg777c.jpg
It is known there has been official complaints lodged about this poster but they continue to be displayed in council areas.
I think it is clear in it's stereotyping of men. To suggest that no woman can also have these exact same attributes as these is ridiculous, discriminating and clearly false.
It is noted of course this group have no such poster published from this perspective, that addresses women in the same manner. This alone shows they have a bias which should be unwelcome and unacceptable by our Councils.
I feel the Council should reflect on entertaining or affiliating with any group, regardless of who they are, which shows any such bias toward the opposite gender and invite them to re-think their affiliations with any group that takes such a stance.
I will ask one simple rhetorical question for you that I think will make clear the issue:
" Will the Council allow me to put up a poster on its premises, as it does with this group above, that is the same as the above, but aimed at women and with similar wording and opinions? Would it also support and promote a group that would publish a poster aimed toward women as this one does towards Men? "
If not, why not?
Ian King left an annotation (27 April 2012)
In the same light and for similar reasons as this request, I feel I must add this new piece of information that deals with another piece of misleading propaganda (bias against men) when it comes to Gender.
As we know in the past Human trafficking was often used as hard hitting propaganda by charities, Feminist groups and the like and almost always seen or portrayed as only females being victims.
The statistical gathering of this information has now been taken over by a different organisation and one has to wonder why it was previously so wrong and undermined the suffering of men?
41% of all human trafficking victims are indeed MALE!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/apr/2...
Ian King left an annotation (18 May 2012)
I also feel it is important to bring to light for the observer these figures on domestic violence by the CDC. This also shows that Councils are making false statements as well as charities and that Government is pouring money into the "great feminist con". Why is this research by the CDC kept quiet you may ask and why are our councils, government and the thousand of charities making millions of pounds off the back of this con, not adjusting their spending, propaganda and action accordingly?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-alR0l8uwOsw/T6...
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Ian King left an annotation (26 September 2011)
To assist your understanding of the false statistical information you are using is this video by Erin Pizzey the founder of Women's refuges in the UK and the Chair of Kidscape, this explains more about the false propaganda your Council is helping to circulate and begs the question why you are doing it?
Link to this