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Artificially Fluoridated Water Satifies Definition of Medicine

Trevor Allport made this Freedom of Information request to Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency

The request was refused by Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency.

From: Trevor Allport

31 August 2011

Dear Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency,

I have been reading your criteria for classification of a medicine.

I quote:

Article 1 of Directive 2001/83/EC as amended defines a 'medicinal
product' as:

“Any substance or combination of substances presented as having
properties for treating or preventing disease in human beings;

Any substance or combination of substances which may be used in or
administered to human beings either with a view to restoring,
correcting or modifying physiological functions by exerting a
pharmacological, immunological or metabolic action, or to making a
medical diagnosis.”

Now artificially fluoridated water clearly meets these criteria.

It is claimed to prevent dental caries and in order to do this it
MUST have a physiological effect on the human body.This
physiological effect is further displayed by dental fluorosis.

More evidence for a physiological effect came from unreleased data
from ARCPOH obtained under a FOI request.
This evidence clearly shows a delay in teeth eruption of children
residing in fluoridated areas.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/au-4-4-11.h...

Not only does this invalidate any league tables construed from
comparisons but it VERY CLEARLY exhibits a potentially dangerous
physiological effect from artificially fluoridated water. This
delay is very likely to be thyroid related and millions of people
are being subjected to this physiological modification WITHOUT
prescription. Indeed, there are cases in the past when doctors have
administered 'fluoride' in order to deliberately modify a patient's
thyroid function.

Furthermore, from your own website:

'For example, a toothpaste would generally be considered as a
cosmetic, but if it is marketed with claims to treat or prevent
'sensitive' teeth or it contains an active ingredient known to have
such an effect then it would fall within the definition of a
medicinal product and be subject to medicines control.'

Artifically fluoridated water makes the claims of preventing dental
caries and in order to perform this function,
there MUST be an active ingredient. Why is it not classed as a
medicine?

Artificially fluoridated water bears NO resemblance to water
containing natural calcium fluorophosphate as it has H2SIF6
(hexafluorosilicic acid) added to it. This is derived by scrubbing
the waste from the phosphate manufacturing process. H2SIF6 is NOT
pharmaceutical grade and the EPA classify it as toxic waste. In
other words, it would be ILLEGAL for a phosphate company to expell
this waste. Yet it is packaged and sold to water companies who then
add it to our drinking water.

To summarise, I would appreciate it if you would explain in detail,
WHY artificially fluoridated water is NOT a medicine when it so
very clearly satisfies not just one criteria required, but many of
the criteria. It seems to me that the only thing keeping this crap
in our water are very strong corporate and political powers. There
are FAR too many warning signs for this exercise to be about
improving health in ANY way.

I await your prompt reply.

Yours faithfully,

Trevor Allport

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31 August 2011

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Our Ref: FOI 11/339

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RE: REQUEST UNDER THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT 2000

Thank you for your enquiry which we received on 31 August 2011.

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26 September 2011

Our Reference: FOI 11/399

Dear Trevor Allport

Thank you for your Freedom of Information Request dated 31 August 2011.

Fluoride as a substance is not regarded as medicinal by the MHRA.
Products containing fluoride are subject to a number of different
regulatory regimes in the UK.

The MHRA believes that drinking water clearly falls within the
definition of food and notes that the legislation which controls the
quality and safety of drinking water does not derive from medicines
legislation. The MHRA considers that neither fluoride added to drinking
water nor the resulting fluoridated water are medicinal products which
require marketing authorisations as medicines.

Claims made for non-medicinal products fall outside the MHRA's
jurisdiction.

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From: Trevor Allport

26 September 2011

Dear MHRA Central Enquiry Point,

Thank you but I am totally dissatisfied by your reply.

I have demonstrated that the addition of H2SiF6 to the public water
supply, has physiological effects which have clearly not been
researched. I have provided the evidence for this obtained under
FOI from the official body known as ARCPOH.
These effects are VERY LIKELY to be related to modification of the
action of the thryroid gland.

I am aware that water is a food in it's UNALTERED condition but
adding the chemical H2SiF6 clearly changes it's description as
surely as adding Paracetomol.

Can you please elaborate on HOW these PROVEN physiological effects
do not demonstrate a medicinal action?

I require these questions to be specifically answered as they may
be used in legal proceedings.

Ref FOI 11/309

Yours sincerely,

Trevor Allport

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26 September 2011

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29 September 2011

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This is to acknowledge receipt of your email, and we will be sending a
formal response in due course.

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From: MHRA Central Enquiry Point
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13 October 2011

Dear Trevor Allport,

Thank you for your further email of 26 September 2011.

In responding to the points you make it may be helpful if we summarise
how decisions about whether a product is a medicinal product are made in
the UK.

A relevant "medicinal product" is defined in Article 1 of Council
Directive 2001/83/EEC as:

"Any substance or combination of substances presented as having
properties for treating or preventing disease in human beings

Any substance or combination of substances which may be used in or
administered to human beings either with a view to restoring, correcting
or modifying physiological functions by exerting a pharmacological,
immunological or metabolic action, or to making a medical diagnosis"

The case law of the European Court of Justice indicates that it is for
the national authorities of each Member State, subject to review by the
national courts, to determine whether either limb of the definition is
satisfied.

In particular, in the European Court of Justice, in The Commissioner of
the European Communities v The Federal Republic of Germany [Case
C290/90], the Court reviewed precedent and said:

"It is for the national authorities to determine, subject to review by
the courts, for each product, whether or not it constitutes a medicinal
product, having regard to all its characteristics, in particular its
composition, its pharmacological properties as they may be ascertained
in the current state of scientific knowledge, the way in which it is
used, the extent to which it is sold, its familiarity to consumers and
the risks which its use may entail."

In the UK, it is the MHRA, on behalf of the UK licensing authority and
subject to review by the national courts, which has the "important
initial responsibility to decide what is or is not a medicinal product."
[Court of Appeal judgement in the Case of The Queen v. Medicines Control
Agency ex parte Pharma Nord (UK) Ltd [1998]].

Applying the above tests, the MHRA has determined that the inclusion of
fluoride in the water supply, in the concentration in which it is
included, does not make that supply a licensable medicinal product
within Directive 2001/83/EC. This is also the view of other Member
States of the European Union. Specifically, it has determined that such
a water supply is not a substance or combination of substances
"presented for treating or preventing disease in human beings".

On the same basis, the Agency does not classify some other substances
which have properties which modify physiological function (for example
vitamin and mineral supplements) as medicines unless they carry claims
"for treating or preventing disease". The MHRA notes that, at the
present time products containing fluoride are legally available under a
number of different regulatory regimes, these include medicines
legislation, cosmetics legislation and food legislation.

If you are unhappy with these decisions, you may ask for them to be
reviewed. That review will be undertaken by a senior member of the
Agency who has not previously been involved in your request. If you wish
to pursue that option please write to the Communications Directorate,
4-T, Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, at the above
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Kind Regards,

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From: Trevor Allport

13 October 2011

Dear MHRA Central Enquiry Point,

Thank you for your reply.
I would now like you to explain the purpose of fluoridated water,
specifically the reason for adding hexafluorosilicic acid to the
water, it's aims and expected effects with relevance to your
decision not to classify it as a medicine.
Basically, why are we adding it?

Yours sincerely,

Trevor Allport

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13 October 2011

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From: MHRA Central Enquiry Point
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14 October 2011

Dear Trevor Allport,

Thank you for your further email of 13 October 2011.

It is not the role of the MHRA to comment on why fluoride is added to
tap water. Our responsibility is to decide whether or not a product is a
medicine and then to ensure that medicines on the UK market have the
appropriate authorisation.

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From: Trevor Allport

16 October 2011

Dear MHRA Central Enquiry Point,

Thank you for your patience but I am still baffled.

You claim that if a substance makes medicinal claims, then it will
be classed as a medicine.

Fluoride (or more accurately H2SiF6) in it's chosen delivery medium
of water claims to reduce and/or prevent dental caries. This is a
medicinal claim.

By your own admission, toothpaste that makes claims of easing
sensitive teeth would be classed as a medicine as it is making
medicinal claims.

Could you please help me to understand the difference between the
two? I assure you that I am not a stupid man but I just cannot
grasp this concept that a medicine is a medicine UNLESS it is
fluoride.

Thank you for your patience as this issue is disturbing me
somewhat.

Yours sincerely,

Trevor Allport

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16 October 2011

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From: MHRA Central Enquiry Point
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18 October 2011

Dear Mr Allport,

Thank you for your further email of 16 October 2011.

The MHRA makes decisions on the status of products on a case by case
basis, rather than on the status of substances. The MHRA believes that
drinking water clearly falls within the definition of food (whether
fluoridated or not) and is controlled by particular legislation.
Toothpastes are not foods and individual toothpastes can be regulated as
cosmetics, medicines or medical devices depending on claims and
ingredients. Claims made for non-medicinal products fall outside the
MHRA's jurisdiction.

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From: Trevor Allport

18 October 2011

Dear MHRA Central Enquiry Point,

Thank you again.
So, by your reply, if water is a food regardless of a chemical
being added to it that makes medicinal claims, I can legally sell
bottled water with lithium added to it that makes claims of curing
depression?
This would STILL be classed as a food because as you say, water is
CLEARLY a food whether a chemical is added to it or not.

Or maybe a premixed paracetomol solution that makes claims of
preventing stress induced headaches?
Begging your pardon, but your reasoning makes absolutely no sense
at all.

Is it conceivable that your choice of classification is political
rather than scientifically grounded?

That it would be impossible to continue this practice of
fluoridation if fluoridated water was classed as a medicine as it's
claims and physiological effects suggest?

I am STILL struggling to understand this reasoning.

Yours sincerely,

Trevor Allport

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