Art digitised by ThamesPilot - Destruction of Parliament by Fire, 16 October 1834 by T M Baynes

Chris Pawley made this Freedom of Information request to Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead

Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead did not have the information requested.

From: Chris Pawley

21 February 2009

Hello,

I am contacting you regarding ThamesPilot because the email on the
'contact page' of Thames Pilot is [email address]

Please consider this a request under the Freedom of Information Act
2000.

I am interested in the artwork: "Destruction of Parliament by Fire,
16 October 1834" by T M Baynes owned by the Thomas Layton Trust.

which Thamespilot digitised and placed on the web here:

http://www.thamespilot.org.uk/ixbin/hixc...

with funding from the Government's "New Opportunities Fund" (which
now redirects to biglotteryfund.org.uk).

Please send me the largest digital version at the highest
resolution of the above mentioned picture that is in your
possession. (I assume you have a 'just scanned' version that exists
before any image processing was applied. This is most likely larger
than the current 500 x 351 pixel version currently displayed, as
virtually all scanners producer larger and higher quality images
than this. Perhaps you can locate this original?

Please provide it in its most unadulterated form, i.e. WITHOUT the
'thamespilot' watermark which is currently obscuring the lower
right hand corner of the art work.

If you are unable to provide this, please fulfill the following two
requests:

1.
The contract or terms of agreement that governed the funding of
ThamesPilot by the "New Opportunities Fund" (or Big Lottery Fund)
to digitise works.

and 2.
Please also provide all communications and contracts/agreements
between Thamespilot and the Thomas Layton
Trust that relate to the loaning of the work by the Trust to
Thamespilot for digitising.

Many thanks for your help,
Yours faithfully,

Chris Pawley

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From: Jennifer Shaw
Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead

24 February 2009

To :Chris Pawley
From :Jennifer Shaw
Sent :24 February 2009
Subject:Freedom of Information request FOI61313

Dear Mr Pawley

Thank you for your Freedom of Information request, the details of which
are shown below:

Please send me the largest digital version at the highest resolution of
the above mentioned picture that is in your possession. (I assume you
have a 'just scanned' version that exists before any image processing
was applied. This is most likely larger than the current 500 x 351 pixel
version currently displayed, as virtually all scanners producer larger
and higher quality images than this. Perhaps you can locate this
original?

Please provide it in its most unadulterated form, i.e. WITHOUT the
'thamespilot' watermark which is currently obscuring the lower right
hand corner of the art work.

1. The contract or terms of agreement that governed the funding of
ThamesPilot by the "New Opportunities Fund" (or Big Lottery Fund) to
digitise works.

2. Please also provide all communications and contracts/agreements
between Thamespilot and the Thomas Layton Trust that relate to the
loaning of the work by the Trust to Thamespilot for digitising.

Your request has been assigned the tracking code FOI61313.

You will receive a response within the legal deadline of 20 working days,
no later than 23 March 2009.

Yours Sincerely

Jennifer Shaw

Freedom of Information Officer
Legal Services
Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead
Town Hall
St Ives Rd
MAIDENHEAD
SL6 1RF

Tel: 01628 79 (6029)

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From: Jennifer Shaw
Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead

11 March 2009

To :Chris Pawley

From :Freedom of Information Officer

Sent :11 March 2009

Subject:Freedom of Information request FOI61313

Dear Mr Pawley

Further to your Freedom of Information request FOI61313, I have been
informed that the ThamesPilot project was partly funded by the New
Opportunities Fund with additional contributions from partners.

The Thomas Layton collection was part of the contribution from partners in
the London Borough of Hounslow, (at that time CIP -Communities in
Partnership).

The ThamesPilot project had an agreement with CIP for the digitisation and
CIP agreed the use with the trustees of the Thomas Layton collection.

There was no direct discussion or agreement between the trustees and
ThamesPilot. The project had copyright of the images it took - ie the
scanned images, for which the only permitted use was for the purposes of
the project. Large format images were returned to each partner for their
use and generally there would not have been any agreement for ThamesPilot
to supply images direct to a third party, expect by special arrangement.
When the project was staffed, the ThamesPilot could supply images direct
but it would be a matter of convenience administratively from the
archives. Normally the owner of the item would be approached to supply the
image and give consent to the agreed terms of use.

Watermarks were added as part of the process as a protection against use
without agreement - particularly commercial use. There were some items
that would not have been used on the site without this protection.

If you require further information about the image, please refer to James
Marshall ([1][email address] ).

This concludes your request FOI61313

Please contact me if I can be of any further assistance.

If you are dissatisfied in any way you may complain to Information and
Compliance Manager by email [email address] or write to the
address below.

Once you have exhausted the complaints procedure you may appeal to the
Information Commissioner's Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow,
Cheshire SK9 5AF.

Yours Sincerely

Freedom of Information Officer

Legal Services

Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead

Town Hall

St Ives Rd

MAIDENHEAD

SL6 1RF

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Chris Pawley left an annotation (15 March 2009)

This is a rather unhelpful, rambling and not particularly accurate response.

Luckily I also sent this request to the email listed on the contact details of ThamesPilot

http://www.thamespilot.org.uk/ixbin/hixc...

James Marshall responded very swiftly and helpfully and even sent me a large 123meg .tif of the original scanning. He asked for £5 if it was for personal use, and £20 for commercial. He writes from John Laing plc - so who knows if this is a legit request for payment.

I haven't paid as it is unclear who the copyright owner is. If it is the Thomas Layton Trust (whose charitable object is to "to promote the education of the public in the subjects of natural history, local history, arts, archaeology and science by the public exhibition of a collection of objects,
specimens, books and prints of antiquity, natural history, art, archaeology and science ... " ).

- It would seem perverse for the Trust to erect artificial financial barriers which hinder the public from appreciating the very art gifted to them, and that the Trust is meant to be promoting.

I'll get in contact with the Trust and we'll see. I plan to get some large posters printed so people can enjoy this print on their wall. Contact me if you want one.

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Chris Pawley left an annotation ( 1 November 2009)

Update!

You can now get a shiny poster of this wonderful image here: http://www.pawley.co.uk/fire.html

Majority of proceeds go to Heather Brooke and mysociety to help them continue to expose corruption in Parliament.

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