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Application Protocols at MCM Division - FTRS (HC)
Huw Thomas made this Freedom of Information request to British Army
The request was successful.
From: Huw Thomas
5 May 2009
Dear Sir or Madam,
What are the protocols for applications to MCM Division FTRS Desk
for FTRS (HC) positions under the following cicumstances:
1. A position that has a stated closing date. What is the selection
board procedure for applications received by MCM Division FTRS desk
AFTER such a date has passed? If there is already an application
submitted before that date, are applications submitted after the
closing date allowed to be considered in direct competition with
the other application?
2. A position that is advertised as 'open'. When an application is
received by MCM Division FTRS desk and the applicant is deemed by
MCM Division FTRS Desk to fulfil the basic criteria for the
vacancy, what is the protocol that applies to applications received
thereafter?
Yours faithfully,
Huw Thomas
From: APC-MSSp-ParlDiscl-C2
1 June 2009
Dear Mrs Thomas
Please find attached response to your request dated 5 May
Yours sincerely
Beverly Hutchinson
APC Disclosures Manager
0141 224 3510
94561 3510
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From: Huw Thomas
8 June 2009
Dear APC-MSSp-ParlDiscl-C2 (Ms Hutchinson),
Recently I have inquired of one of the staff at the FTRS Desk at
MCM Division as to how many persons in total had applied for a
particular position ; she replied that she had been forbidden to
tell me.
Therefore would you please answer one of the following:
1. What is the reason that FTRS desk clerks are instructed not to
divulge how many applicants have applied for a position?
2. If FTRS Desk staff are NOT instructed as at para 1 above, how
many persons have applied for the position of 0190509 SO2 Ops3
(Projects), HQ Defence Training Estate, as at close of play on
Monday 8 Jun 09 (the stated closing date for applications)?
Yours sincerely,
Huw Thomas
From: APC-MSSp-ParlDiscl-C2
25 June 2009
Dear Mr Thomas
Please find attached my reply to your request dated 8 June.
Beverly Hutchinson
APC Disclosures Manager
0141 224 3510
94561 3510
<<20090625-U-FOI Thomas-abkh.doc>>
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From: Huw Thomas
25 June 2009
Dear Sir or Madam,
Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of
Information reviews.
I am writing to request an internal review of British Army's
handling of my FOI request 'Application Protocols at MCM Division -
FTRS (HC)'.
A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is
available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ap...
Simply to state that there are not sufficient resources to answer a
basic question that one does not wish to answer is insufficient and
goes as far as being contemptuous to the questioner. In fact, it
takes no more than a few seconds to obtain from the FTRS database a
reply to the question 'How many other people have applied?'
Further, your reply states that should I wish to take the matter
further, I should apply to a person at the sixth floor of the MoD,
and then gives a non-existent email address.
Yours faithfully,
Huw Thomas
From: CIO-AccessRevAHD (Tranham, Andrew B2)
British Army
25 June 2009
Dear Mr Thomas
I acknowledge receipt of your request for an internal review of the MOD`s
handling of your request for Application Protocols at MCM Division - FTRS
(HC).
The Department's aim is to complete reviews within 40 working days of
receipt of the application. Your request for an internal review was
received here today. We therefore aim to complete the review and respond
to you by 20 August. The review will involve a full, independent,
consideration of the handling of the case as well as the final decision.
Yours sincerely.
A J Tranham
Andrew Tranham
Ministry of Defence
CIO-CI-Access Review A/Hd
Main Building 6-E-01 Whitehall, London SW1A 2HB
Tele: 0207 807 0028 (Mil 621 70028)
Fax: 0207 218 4619
email: [1][email address]
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From: CIO-CI-AccessReview AstHd(Tranham, Andrew B2)
British Army
19 August 2009
Mr Thomas
I am pleased to send you the attached results of the internal review of
your request for information, which has resulted in the Department
disclosing the information you requested. In view of the size of the files
I am sending in two e mails of this is the first.
Andrew Tranham
Ministry of Defence
CIO-CI-Access Review A/Hd
Main Building 6-E-01 Whitehall, London SW1A 2HB
Tele: 0207 807 0028 (Mil 621 70028)
Fax: 0207 218 4619
email: [1][email address]
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From: CIO-CI-AccessReview AstHd(Tranham, Andrew B2)
British Army
19 August 2009
Mr Thomas
I am pleased to send you the attached results of the internal review of
your request for information, which has resulted in the Department
disclosing the information you requested. In view of the size of the files
I am sending in two e mails of this is the second.
Andrew Tranham
Ministry of Defence
CIO-CI-Access Review A/Hd
Main Building 6-E-01 Whitehall, London SW1A 2HB
Tele: 0207 807 0028 (Mil 621 70028)
Fax: 0207 218 4619
email: [1][email address]
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Huw Thomas left an annotation (19 August 2009)
The finding (or at least, my interpretation of it) is that APC has a natural tendency to be evasive and protective in response to even basic and reasonable requests for simple information ; there is further tendency to brussh off enquirers with an attitude of 'go away, we can't be bothered to give you a proper answer, we are a law unto ourselves'.
This matter went to the second stage of the FOI : that of a review of the response to the original request. The review appears to have been entirely correct in its outlook, and APC effectively received a rap over the knuckles.
The moral of the tale is that an enquirer is likely ONLY to receive a satisfactory answer from APC if the question is phrased as an FOI request ; even if it is, it seems that APC might still try to slide out of telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
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