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Application of Adjudication for Justice

Veronica Chapman made this Freedom of Information request to Her Majesty’s Courts and the Tribunals Service

The request was refused by Her Majesty’s Courts and the Tribunals Service.

From: Veronica Chapman

16 February 2011

Dear Her Majesty's Courts Service,

In the vast majority of cases, in your Courts, a Human Being is
standing as the Defending Party, and some organisation (e.g. Crown
Prosecution Service, Local Council, Utility Company, DVLA, TV
Licencing Authority, etc.) is standing as the Claiming Party.

The Human Being can (a) Have their DNA taken and (b) Be jailed (for
example). The Claiming Party, being an organisation, cannot have
its DNA taken (because it has none), and cannot be jailed because
it is merely a concept. A 'name', on paperwork, which some believe
in (and nothing more).

Please explain how fair, honest, decent, reasonable, just,
honourable 'adjudication' can take place in your Courts, between
two such disparate entities. Please explain how you can call this
'justice'. Please explain how this 'playing field' is not
pre-tilted VERTICALLY against the Human Being from the very start
(and how it doesn't get progressively worse for the Human Being who
has the temerity to turn up).

After all, you create the playing fields.

Yours faithfully,

Veronica: of the Chapman family (a Human Being)

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angie of the elder family left an annotation (16 February 2011)

Now that's what I like, nice simple, "easy to answer" questions.... So what is going to be your excuse for not answering this one ?? Not recorded information, perhaps? Research and retrieval will take you over the restricted limit on man hours, maybe? There's an "R" in the month? OR perhaps plain and simple "If we answer this we are going to really drop ourselves in the sh!t??"

How about sticking to the "hard" questions being asked of you, cos let's face it all the "easy" questions being posed just recently are definitely making Her Majesty's Department's a little hot under the collar, wouldn't you say?

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From: Veronica Chapman

17 March 2011

Dear Her Majesty's Courts Service,

Please response to my request. I wish to know how you can offer a
level playing field, called 'justice' where one party (generally)
could be eventually jailed, whilst the other party is purely
fictional, and could not suffer any such consequence.

I suggest that your simplest answer would be: "We can't possibly
offer fairness and justice under those circumstances, and we are
attempting to deceive all and sundry when we claim that we do".

If you think that is the wrong answer then please explain how &
why.

Thank you in advance,

Veronica: of the Chapman family

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Stephen Cordes left an annotation (17 March 2011)

I fail to see how this falls under an FOI request.

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Veronica Chapman left an annotation (17 March 2011)

"I fail to see how this falls under an FOI request."

Does that answer my question, then?

Or are you yet another of these self-appointed "Guardians of the Freedom of Information Act" (because - presumably - HMCS are too small, weak, and timid so as to be able to guard themselves)?

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Veronica Chapman left an annotation (17 March 2011)

Stephen Cordes ... your profile here shows that you created a Registration specifically to be able to post the fact that you "fail to see". Did we need to know that? Was announcing your myopia to the world worth all the trouble?

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angie of the elder family left an annotation (18 March 2011)

Judging by HMCS swift response here, it is obvious that this thread is causing "issues". It has certainly created an "issue" for Stephen Cordes, too, by the looks of things!

Perhaps a little re-wording may simplify things for those that have "issues".

For the court system to operate the way it does there must be "Rools", and in order for adjudication to be uniform across the board those "rools" must be recorded somewhere - written down so that the same practice can be applied universally, as it is in all courts across the UK.

On that basis please provide the written "Rools" ( or a link to the info) that allows HMCS to operate its courts in the manner it does.

Precisely, where does it say that that the level of bias highlighted in the OP's request is acceptable practice.

We know it is COMMON practice, but where does it say, in the "rools" that is it ACCEPTABLE - that is LAWFUL - practice......... you see as far as the research that i have done goes, I cannot find anything that explains the tilted playing field.... perhaps i am looking in the wrong places?

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Veronica Chapman left an annotation (18 March 2011)

Myopic Stephen "Fail to see" Cordes has missed the most fundamental point, which is that HMCS should have told me that this request is invalid (if they thought so) within 20 days (by their own rools). And they haven't even had the guts to do that.

"Doesn't compute! Doesn't compute! Doesn't compute! Not Programmed! Response not in Templates!".

And that's a fundamental point. If the response is not in the Templates, and/or not on the Database, a simple, direct, reasonable, realistic question (from a little old lady in Middlesex, namely me) cannot (apparently) be answered.

Does this explain anything about the system under which we live?

Does this explain why WhatDoTheyKnow is such a beneficial facility? How else is one expected to get these essential aspects across?

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Stephen Cordes left an annotation (18 March 2011)

In response to Veronica and others who have publically abused me after stating the obvious, I shall take your points in turn:

1) No it does not answer your question. I am merely pointing out that your original request doesn't appear to be set out as a Freedom of Information request.

2) No I am not a self-appointed "Guardians of the Freedom of Information Act" (because - presumably - HMCS are too small, weak, and timid so as to be able to guard themselves)?

I am a normal, hard working tax-payer.

3) My profile was created ages ago, so I could track requests like this and either find out some useful information, or laugh/cry/look in amazement at the abuse you seem to give out to people.

4) I think you may have missed the fundamental point in that HMCS have better things to do - like respond to properly worded, and sensible FOI requests.

Stephen "Fail to See" Cordes.

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FMOTL? left an annotation (18 March 2011)

As Stephen Cordes says, this is again clearly not a request for information and therefore inappropriate for the FOI and this website.

It is a mystery why you think this activity is a performing any valuable purpose. (It is also a mystery why you insist on verbally abusing anyone who does nothing more than point out that your requests are not answerable under the FOIA.)

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From: Data Access & Compliance Unit
Her Majesty’s Courts and the Tribunals Service

24 March 2011

Dear Veronica,

The Freedom of Information Act (2000) gives individuals and
organisations the right of access to all types of recorded information
held, at the time the request is received, by public authorities such as
the Ministry of Justice (MoJ). Section 84 of the Act states that in
order for a request for information to be handled as a Freedom of
Information (FOI) request, it must be for recorded information. For
example, a Freedom of Information request would be for a copy of an HR
policy, rather than an explanation as to why we have that policy in
place.

On occasion, Data Access and Compliance Unit receives requests for
information that do not ask for a copy of recorded information, but ask
more general questions about, for example, a policy, an opinion or a
decision. In these instances, another business unit would handle the
enquiry. I have assessed your correspondence and since it is of that
nature, I have passed on your request to the general queries team.

Best Wishes
Kate

Kate Balding
Business Coordinator

Data Access & Compliance Unit

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From: Customer Services (CSHQ)

29 March 2011

Dear Veronica of the Chapman family,

Thank you for your email. The subject does not come under the remit of
the Complaint Handling & Enquiries Team

Regards
HMCS

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ivanataylor left an annotation (15 May 2012)

The nerve of those who clearly have not given any attention to research, and have the audacity to question one who clearly has thouroughly investigated. Veronica you are a champion. I totally respect your tireless attempts to reach out and help your fellow man.there is nothing wrong with your request, it would appear that your counterparts on here are totally out of the loop with regard to interlect knowledge and more importantly manners. I cannot understand their mentality at all. I cannot comprehend why they cannot just answer your question, unless of course they want to hide the fact that no justice is ever obtainable in a magistrates administrative court, where Oaths of office are not even adhered to. Kangaroo comes to mind.

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