Dear Sir or Madam,

Can you please confirm whether or not the Family Courts , which
operate in secret behind closed doors, are in fact operating under
Admiralty and Equity Law;the Law of the Sea rather than Common Law;
the Law of the Land ?

The the former only applies to the 'color of law' and operate under
Statue/Acts, which simply do not apply to men/women and their
offspring.

Authorities such as Kent County Council, are clearly using this to
their advantage and have no obligation to provide facts ; these are
not required nor recognized in these fictitious courts.

Yours faithfully,

Mrs Barden

Dear Sir or Madam,

Unfortunately having received no reply , there is no option but to
request an internal review, I sincerely hope this is not a
reflection of the service offered by HMCS and a tactic used to
inorder to buy more time and further delay.

One would expect HMCS to operate within the law and time frames of
the FOIA.

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of
Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Her Majesty's Courts
Service's handling of my FOI request 'Admiralty/Equity Family
Courts ? what happened to the LAW?'.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is
available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ad...

Yours faithfully,

Mrs Barden

Dear Mrs Barden

Thank you for your e-mail. I have forwarded it to the Departmental Data
Access and Compliance Unit for them to reply direct.

Russell Meek
Customer Service Unit
H M Courts Service
0845 4568770

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Dear Mrs Barden,

Please find attached your acknowledgement to your request for an
Internal Review.

Yours sincerely

Hannah Law

(sent on behalf of Hannah Wright)

Data Access & Compliance Unit

Postal Point 6.25, Zone B

102 Petty France

London SW1H 9AJ

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Dear Mrs Barden,

I write further to your e-mail of 25th September in which you ask for an
Internal Review in relation to an earlier Freedom of Information
request.

I am sorry but I will not be able to conduct an Internal Review because
I have no record of your original request. If you would like the
Ministry of Justice to process a Freedom of Information request please
could you send your request to the Data Access & Compliance Unit at
[email address]

I am sorry that I cannot be of any more assistance.

Yours sincerely,

Hannah Wright
Ministry of Justice | Data Access & Compliance Unit

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The correct e-mail address to submit a request is:

[HMCS request email]

Yours sincerely,

Hannah Wright
Ministry of Justice | Data Access & Compliance Unit | 0203 334 5249

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Dear Hannah Wright,

Unfortunately an internal review had to be initiated due to HMCS
failing to respond within the FOIA statutory time frame .

For your information a copy of the original request and internal
review and link ,has been supplied

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ad...

25 August 2009
Dear Sir or Madam,

Can you please confirm whether or not the Family Courts , which
operate in secret behind closed doors, are in fact operating under
Admiralty and Equity Law;the Law of the Sea rather than Common Law;
the Law of the Land ?

The the former only applies to the 'color of law' and operate under
Statue/Acts, which simply do not apply to men/women and their
offspring.

Authorities such as Kent County Council, are clearly using this to
their advantage and have no obligation to provide facts ; these are
not required nor recognized in these fictitious courts.

Yours faithfully,

_____________________________

25 September 2009

Dear Sir or Madam,

Unfortunately having received no reply , there is no option but to
request an internal review, I sincerely hope this is not a
reflection of the service offered by HMCS and a tactic used to
inorder to buy more time and further delay.

One would expect HMCS to operate within the law and time frames of
the FOIA.

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of
Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Her Majesty's Courts
Service's handling of my FOI request 'Admiralty/Equity Family
Courts ? what happened to the LAW?'.

_____________________________

A speedy response would be appreciated after such a long delay.

Yours faithfully,

Mrs Barden

Dear Mrs Barden,

Please find attached your acknowledgement to your Freedom of Information
request.

Yours sincerely

Hannah Law

(sent on behalf of Ngozi Amadi)

Data Access & Compliance Unit

Postal Point 6.25, Zone B

102 Petty France

London SW1H 9AJ

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Dear Mrs Barden,

Further to our email of the 16th October 2009, I can confirm that we will
not be dealing with this request under the Freedom of Information Act.

I have forwarded your email to the Ministerial Correspondence Unit who
will arrange for the appropriate business unit to respond to you.

Yours sincerely,

Hannah Law
Data Access and Compliance Unit

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Dear Mrs Barden,

Thank you for your email of 25 September 2009 with regard to the
applicable law in the family courts of England and Wales.

Our family courts apply the law of England and Wales, the evident and
foremost sources of which are our statute law (the pronouncements of the
legislature embodied in Acts of Parliament) and our common law (also known
as `case law' which relates to the judicial pronouncements by the
judiciary of our higher courts).

With regard to the areas of law that may be applicable to a family
dispute, this would depend on the dispute in question. With regard to a
family dispute, for instance, over matrimonial property, provisions of
family law will apply to modify the ordinary law of property and of
equity. Such provisions may be found in both statute law and in the common
law.

Your reference to the connection between the family courts on the one
hand, and admiralty law and the law of the sea on the other, is not
understood - therefore, we regret we are unable to comment on this
meaningfully.

I note you refer to the secrecy of family proceedings. You may wish to be
aware that the Government is committed to an ongoing package of reforms to
open up the family courts and increase the understanding of the important
work that they do, while ensuring that the privacy of the children
involved is protected. .

On 27 April 2009, new rules of court were implemented which provide for
accredited members of the media to have the right to attend most family
court cases across all tiers of court, except, for the time being, in
placement and adoption proceedings. The aim of media attendance is that
family justice is not only done, but seen to be done. This open and
visible justice will ensure accountability through professional and public
scrutiny of the decisions of the court while simultaneously dispelling
myths and increasing public confidence in the way the family courts work.
This is balanced with the right of parties to apply, or the court of its
own motion, to exclude the media where it is in the interests of the child
or for the protection of a vulnerable witness.

The revised court rules also make provision for the disclosure of
information connected with the proceedings, in cases involving children.
Since April 2009 parties and their legal representatives can now disclose
information relating to their case to any person, and at any point in the
proceedings, for the purposes of advice and support and for the purposes
of mediation unless a judge has ruled that such disclosure is not
permitted. These rules make it easier for parties to get the help and
support they need at a difficult time and to able to disclose information
about their case to advisors (including MPs) while a case is ongoing,
rather than at the end.

The rule changes also make specific provision for a party to disclose
information about their case for the purposes of pursuing a complaint
against a person connected to the proceedings. Some of the kinds of
information that can be disclosed for these purposes include documents on
the court file, an approved transcript of evidence given in court, witness
statements and expert reports.

This is a big step forward on the previous disclosure rules which provided
for disclosure in only limited circumstances, prescribing who could
disclose to whom, what information could be disclosed in each scenario,
and designating a purpose in each scenario for disclosure.

A helpful summary of what is and what is not permissible under the current
disclosure rules is contained within the leaflet produced by Her Majesty's
Court Service titled "[1]Can I talk about my case outside court? A guide
for family court users".

I hope this email has been helpful.

Yours faithfully

Susan Chamberlain

Susan Chamberlain

Policy Manager

Family Law and Justice Division

Ministry of Justice

Point 4.21

4th Floor, 102 Petty France

London SW1H 9AJ

Tel: 0203 334 4212

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Dear Susan Chamberlain,

It is clear that children are being treated as property in rem of
the state, in the same fashion as your quote below.

"With regard to the areas of law that may be applicable to a family
dispute, this would depend on the dispute in question. With regard
to a family dispute, for instance, over matrimonial property,
provisions of family law will apply to modify the ordinary law of
property and of equity. Such provisions may be found in both
statute law and in the
common law."

Unfortunately, the rest is complete rubbish , all so-called
protections put into place are a smoke screen designed to protect
the public servants and do NOT give rise to any sort of justice for
families and children.

with regards,

Mrs Barden