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Access agreements for canoeing on rivers in England and Wales

dougoutcanoe made this Freedom of Information request to Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

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From: dougoutcanoe

11 March 2011

Dear Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs,

It appears that the government stance on "Access to rivers in
England and Wales for canoeing" is still based on access
agreements.

Access agreements did not work in the 100 year struggle for
ramblers to have access to much of our nations land.

Yet the goverment insists that access agreements is the way
forward. Already, talks with the purpose of negotiating agreements
have failed.

What arrangements are available for the present situation of
canoeists being denied access to rivers? Will Rev Caffyn's papers
be cosidered as support for our right to navigate our nations
rivers?

Yours faithfully,

Dougoutcanoe

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From: Helpline, Defra (CCU)
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

11 March 2011

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Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

30 March 2011

Dear Sir

Thank you for your email of 11 March about access to rivers for canoeists.

We believe that access agreements have in fact worked. Our pilot studies
showed that access agreements can:

o ensure canoeing is well managed and fits in with other activities
such as fishing and boating, and that everyone is clear about their rights
and responsibilities;
o help make canoeing safer by installing signs and structures, such
as access or exit points, along agreed access routes and setting out
conditions for their inspection, repair and maintenance;
o protect the water environment because each agreement is
tailor-made, taking into account the specific conditions of the river and
the requirements of local landowners; and
o spark regeneration of urban waterways and boost local economies.

Also widespread support for voluntary agreements has been demonstrated.
During a study, an impressive 99% of 400 landowners contacted said they
were willing to consider voluntary agreements. Many, however, are put off
from pursuing agreements because the governing bodies of canoeing in
England and Wales do not support the use of agreements.

Agreements allow site specific issues associated with competing uses,
ecological value and health and safety to be addressed. Management
measures can then be put in place creating safer rivers, managing use to
create the best for all, and raising awareness of important ecological
sites as well as restricting access to them when required.

Regarding Reverend Caffyn's paper, this is a sole opinion and does not
show that the right of public navigation on all rivers in England and
Wales has never been removed. While his work does include some
interesting examples and cases, dating back to the Magna Carta, the paper
relates to the right to navigation only, not the right to access the
river.

We confirm our commitment to using locally agreed, voluntary, access
agreements as the means of increasing river access for canoeists. This
fits very well with the Big Society agenda as it will give access where it
is needed and meet the needs of all users and interested parties.

Yours sincerely

Julie Tucker
Customer Contact Unit
Defra

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From: dougoutcanoe

30 March 2011

Dear Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs,

DEFRA clearly imply that canoeing will remain an allegedly illegal
act. We need a change in the law to provide responsible access to
the countryside including waterways.

Talks to obtain voluntary access agreements failed when few were
forthcoming and those that were offered were too restrictive. A VAA
is not acceptable when it opens a river for a few days per year.
This is why the governing bodies for watersports withdrew.

I am sure that DEFRA are just towing the line for the landowners
and anglers to give them exclusive rights to our rivers.

The "flagship" VAA in the NW is the R. Mersey canoe trail. This was
easily obtained because anglers and landowners do not want it. It
is not a viable fishery. The river is too polluted, being the main
drain for the City of Manchester.

I would be pleased to take a representative from DEFRA along the
Mersey in my canoe.

Yours faithfully,

dougoutcanoe

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Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

14 April 2011

Dear Sir

Thank you for your further email of 30 March requesting an internal review
on the previous reply you received about access to rivers for canoeists.

I am afraid that Defra is unable to carry out an internal review as your
previous email was not treated as a Freedom of Information (FOI) request.

An FOI request must ask for recorded information. It is not a request for
a view, an opinion, a justification, an explanation or anything other than
recorded information. After receiving your original email the Information
Rights Team considered that your request did not fall into the FOI
category and it was correctly passed to Defra's Customer Contact Unit to
reply to.

Your 30 March email again gives your view on the issue of access to inland
water and therefore is not classed as an FOI. In our reply we set out the
Government's current position that it is committed to the use of voluntary
agreements to provide access to inland water for canoeists, and there is
nothing further we can add to that reply.

Yours sincerely

Julie Tucker
Customer Contact Unit
Defra

Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra)

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From: dougoutcanoe

14 April 2011

Dear Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs,

Following the DEFRA response to my enquiry about access to English
and Welsh waterways including rivers.

I would ask you:

Please provide information that lead to the withdrawal of waterways
from the "Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000"

Under what powers was the waterways of England and Wales considered
to be different to Scotland's waterways?

Which groups and/or ministries were the lobbyists that lead to the
withdrawal of waterways from the CROW Act 2000?

Yours faithfully,

dougoutcanoe

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From: Robbins, John (ERG-LOR)
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

19 April 2011


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Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra)

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From: dougoutcanoe

14 May 2011

Dear Robbins, John (ERG-LOR),

I have not received a response to my questions. By law DEFRA should
have responded by now.

The letter dated 19 April 2011 (RFI 3968 Dougoutcanoe ack letter
19-04-2011.pdf)is only an acknowledgement.

Please explain the delay.

Yours sincerely,

dougoutcanoe

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From: Robbins, John (ERG-LOR)
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

14 May 2011

I am out of the office on until Monday 16 May 2011. If your message is
urgent and concerns planning or green infrastructure please contact Niall
Malone on 0117 372 3555. Your message has not been transferred.

Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra)

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From: Robbins, John (ERG-LOR)
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

16 May 2011

Dear Dougoutcanoe

Under the Environmental Information Regulations 2004 the Department has 20 working days from the date it received your request to reply.

Your request was received on 15 April but with a number of non working Bank Holidays the date for responding is 19 May.

I apologise that this was not recognised when the acknowledgement letter dated 19 April and it incorrectly gave the date for response as 15 May. You will receive a full response to your request by 19 May.

John Robbins

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From: Gorringe, Martin (ERG-LOR)
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

19 May 2011


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