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Minutes
Project  SEMMMS A6 to Manchester Airport Relief Road
Job No
Date of Meeting  19/10/09
Meeting No  1
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Location of Meeting
Hygarth House – Stockport MBC
Time of Meeting
10.30 hrs
Subject of Meeting
Traffic Modelling re SEMMMS A6 to Manchester Airport relief Road
Persons present including representation

Jim McMahon

SMBC
Sue Stevenson (SS)
SMBC
Neil Stockley (NS)

Atkins
Tony Mellor (TM)

GMTU
David Nixon (DN)

GMTU
Nick Benbow (NB)

MVA
Hossein Farsi (HF)

Mott MacDonald
Andrew Thornhill (AT)
Mouchel
Tim Baker (TJB)

Scott Wilson
Graham Martin (CB)
Scott Wilson
Distribution of notes to

As above +
Martin Rigby  (MR)
SMBC – Head of Engineering
Joseph Roberts (JR)
Scott Wilson
Gordon Davidson (GD)
Scott Wilson
Pete Kidd (PK)

MVA

Date of Notes
29 October 2009
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Minutes
Project  SEMMMS A6 to Manchester Airport Relief Road
Job No
Date of Meeting  19/10/09
Meeting No  1
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NOTES
DATE   ACTION

Introductions & Apologies

Scheme Fix

1.1
SW  to  issue  Design  Freeze  2  (on  receipt  of  design  from  MCC)  to
SW
enable progress of modelling with fixed scheme design for purposes
issued
23/10/09
of Programme Entry / Business case submission to DfT  in Feb 2010.

1.2
Post Meeting Note: The SEMMMS scheme design will be led from 1

design  office  (SMBC),  with  Martin  Rigby,  SMBC,  the  Design  Team
Leader.

Current Position and Programme for Traffic Modelling

1.3
GMTU stated that the current model with MCC’s latest design layouts

included  (as  to  be  issued  to  SMBC/SW)  is  working  with  benefits  to
the Airport.

1.4
Speed limits were discussed in terms of current modelling approach.

• 50mph on SMBC extension to A6

• 40mph on MCC section to Styal junction

• 70mph  onto  the  roundabout  with  Poynton/Chester  Road,  with

step-down to 40mph at Styal Road signals

SW /

Speed limits to be confirmed by SEMMMS design team.
SMBC

1.5
HF confirmed that draft LMVR submitted by Motts to DfT on 16/10/09

and cc’d to SMBC.

1.6
Motts  progressing  coding  of  Do-minimums  and  this  requires  to  be
GMTU/
correlated  with  GMTU  for  consistent  approach  to  Do-minimums.
Motts
Currently around 18 no. Do-minimum scheme scenarios.

1.7
Early Dec 09 for set of traffic flow forecasts from Motts for modelling  04/12/09  Motts
of SEMMMS 6 baseline – traffic flow matrices required from MVA.

1.8
MVA in liaison with SMBC and CE/CW to establish land-use changes

in determining the traffic flow matrices and associated growth factors.

1.9
MVA to issue actual 2015 and 2030 unconstrained demand matrices  27/10/09  MVA
(SEMMMS 6) to Motts / GMTU by 27/10/09.

1.10
Demand  forecast  outputs  reflecting  the  change  in  traffic  flows  over  03/11/09  MVA
time  periods  2015  and  2030  for  Greater  Manchester  (re  GMSPM2)
and that which affects SEMMMS to be issued by MVA 03/11/09.
Date of Notes
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Project  SEMMMS A6 to Manchester Airport Relief Road
Job No
Date of Meeting  19/10/09
Meeting No  1
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NOTES
DATE   ACTION

1.11
MVA  had  issued  a  paper  outlining  the  approach/methodology  being

taken  forward  by  MVA  re  matrices  and  factors  –  principle  agreed,
however, GMTU and Motts to respond to MVA with any comment.

1.12
DN  stated  that  no  updated  information  received  from  the  Airport

regarding  employee/passenger  nos.    John  Bottomley  (Manchester

Airport) has not provided any indication of delivery date for updates.

1.13
GMTU to progress with current information re SEMMMS 6 and make
GMTU
further request to the Airport for related information for consideration
with SEMMMS 7.

1.14
MVA  confirmed  that  for  purposes  of  SEMMMS  6  /  PE,  any

information from the Airport is too late for growth factors and matrices
to  be  reconsidered  with  current  programme.    Potential  though  to
‘plug-in’ passenger/employee nos. information relatively quickly.

1.15
JMcM  to  raise  issue  of  passage  of  information  from  the  Airport  to
SMBC
GMTU with John Twigg (Manchester Airport).

1.16
GMTU comments re progress of SEMMMS 7:

• Greater  Manchester  model  simulation  model  extended  and

network detailed/checked
• Signal data being checked through the 3 LA’s
• Bus data information received and to be considered
• Re-zoning of modelled area – excl. Airport as done
• Matrices  built  for  provisional  forecasts  to  assist  with  scheme

design  and environmental work
• RSI’s are progressing (issues around Wilmslow)

1.17
GMTU considering need for additional ATC’s as issue with impact of  Early
GMTU
Jan ‘10
roadworks  in/around Wilmslow  during  RSI’s.    GMTU  to  advise/meet
with SMBC early Jan 2010 to identify additional ATC’s as required for
set-up Jan 2010 at latest.

1.18
GMTU  indicated  Xmas  09  for  processing  of  latest  RSI  data  and

expansion and matrix building then delivered ~ April 2010.

1.19
GMTU stated that a set of forecasts with existing RSI information can  Jan ‘10
GMTU
be provided January 2010.

1.20
Agreed that without knowledge of ‘step change’ between SEMMMS 6

and  SEMMMS  7  (with  traffic  flow  /  forecasting  information)  that
desirable  to  go  to  pre-planning  consultation  March/April  2010  with
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Project  SEMMMS A6 to Manchester Airport Relief Road
Job No
Date of Meeting  19/10/09
Meeting No  1
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NOTES
DATE   ACTION
SEMMMS 7 information – require to consult on Opening Year 2015.
Risk in unknown between old and new RSI data.

1.21
GMTU  and  MVA  to  discuss  forecasting  in  order  to  establish  ASAP
MVA /
methodology  for  forecasts  for  Opening  Year  2015  with  latest  RSI
GMTU
data (SEMMMS 7) and outputs by early March 2010.

This  is  to  enable  pre-planning  public  consultation  (with  limited
SEMMMS 7 data) to happen April 2010.

Traffic Modelling Requirements for Economic Assessment

1.22
NS stated that area of influence of the scheme is a significant issue

to be considered for the Business Case and Transport Assessment.

1.23
GMTU  can  provide  a  plot  that  indicates  areas  that  are  impacted  ASAP
GMTU
upon.  GMTU to circulate to All a version that is available indicating
impacts ~ 2011.

1.24
GMTU stated that a Note was available re discussion on Core Area
GMTU
and can be circulated to All.

1.25
TUBA and COBA data to be issued from Motts to Atkins 27/11/09.
27/11/09
Motts

1.26
Motts stated that COBA would be used re accident stats (otherwise 5

years of data required from across whole network).

1.27
Atkins to issue draft chapter 4 of BC to DfT pre-Xmas 09.
18/12/09
Atkins

1.28
Programme Entry / BC submission to DfT for approval Feb 2010.
05/02/10
Atkins

Traffic Modelling Requirements for Environmental Assessment

1.29
AT/HF to meet 23/10/09 to discuss information required and timings  04/11/09  Mouch
of  distribution  to  input  to  EA.    AT  to  circulate  note  of  meeting  as
appropriate to confirm in line with programme as per this meeting.

1.30
Mouchel to progress EA activities not directly related to traffic whilst

traffic  information  pending.    Traffic  related  aspects  post  receipt  of

information from Motts 27/10/09.

Mouchel to develop EA for core option only for submission Xmas 09  18/12/09  Mouch
in relation to PE.

1.31
Pre-planning consultation: SEMMMS 7 figures from GMTU March 10

is too late for Air/Noise input to this consultation exercise.

Mouchel advised that (over-)estimate of traffic flows can be used for

purposes of going to consultation April 10 with Air/Noise data.

Mouchel  to  advise  on  information  to  be  provided  by  GMTU  re
Mouch
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Project  SEMMMS A6 to Manchester Airport Relief Road
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Date of Meeting  19/10/09
Meeting No  1
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NOTES
DATE   ACTION
estimated traffic flow data.

1.32
Woodford  (BAE  Systems)  due  to  close  April  2012.    Development

proposals being taken forward as part of LDF, with any development

being post 2012.

SMBC to provide a definitive statement on Woodford (this will not be
SMBC
available for PE).

1.33
TA  for  planning  submission  to  be  progressed  for  SEMMMS  7  from

May – Aug 2010.

Meeting with DfT – 21 October 2009

1.34
Please refer to attached meeting notes.

Issue of Documents

1.35
All parties to use standard report cover as circulated by SW.

1.36
All documents to be issued to SMBC/SW for approval of final version

prior to issue to DfT.  All documents draft until issue to DfT.

Any Other Business

1.37
SW  to  establish  availability  of  resources  over  Xmas  period  from  all
SW
parties. Circulate to All.

1.38
SW  setting  up  ProjectSpace  (extranet)  that  will  be  available  to  all  ASAP
SW
parties to post documents; meeting notes; drawings etc.  Guidelines
and log-on/passwords to be issued by SW.

1.39
AT  advised  that  cumulative  assessments  need  to  be  considered for

future discussion/meetings and respective impacts on modelling etc.

Date of Next Meeting

1.40
To be arranged.

SW

Date of Notes
29 October 2009
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