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Minutes of the 258th Board Meeting 
Thursday 24 April 2008
Barnaby Room, Haycock Hotel,  
9.30am to 12.35pm
Wansford, nr. Peterborough. 
 
 
Commissioners present: 
Staff in attendance: 
Michael O’Higgins (Chairman) 
Gareth Davies 
Steve Bundred (Chief Executive) 
Tracey Dennison 
Bharat Shah (Deputy Chairman) 
Martin Evans 
Lord Adebowale 
Mark Fletcher 
Jim Coulter 
Jenny Grey 
Dr Jennifer Dixon 
Roger Hamilton 
Sheila Drew Smith 
Julie Hope 
Cllr Steve Houghton 
Michael Hughes (for part) 
Cllr Peter Jones 
Andy McKeon 
Sir Thomas Legg 
Siobhan O’Donoghue (minutes) 
Brian Pomeroy 
Susan Richardson 
Dr Raj Rajagopal 
Jo Whitehead 
Professor Peter Smith 
Peter Wilkinson 
Jenny Watson 
 
Cllr Chris White 
 
 
Welcome, Apologies and Announcements Verbal 
 
1. 
The Chairman welcomed Commissioners to the Board meeting and made the 
following announcements: 
a. 
Apologies had been received from Dame Denise Platt. 
b. 
Mark Fletcher, RD Northern Region was welcomed to the meeting.  Mark would 
be taking over the role as Head of the Audit Commission’s Trust Practice, 
following Michael Scott’s departure in May 2008. 
c. 
Jenny Grey, MD, Communications would be leaving the Commission in June 
2008 to take up a post at the Cabinet Office as Director of Communications.  
Marina Pirotta, who had previously held the post of interim MD, Communications, 
would again be providing interim cover until a permanent appointment was in 
place. 
d. 
The Chairman and Chief Executive’s Office had received a Freedom of 
Information request relating to Commissioners’ salaries and expenses.  Some of 
the information was already in the public domain and the other information would 
be disclosed, as requested.  The Chief Executive would be writing to 
individual Commissioners to inform them of what information had been 
disclosed.
 
e. 
The Chairman reflected on the recent 25th Anniversary and Follow the Money 
book launch events at the BT Tower and the Reform Club, both of which had 
been very successful.  It might prove useful to reflect further on how the 
Commission’s alumni could remain involved in the organisation’s activities. 
 
Minutes of the Previous Board Meeting – 13 March 2008 
 
2. 
The minutes of the 257th Meeting of the Board held in 13 March 2008 were approved 
as a correct record. 
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3. 
The minutes of the 257th Meeting of the Board were approved as a correct 
record. 

 
Report of the Chief Executive 
CP 28-08 
 
4. 
National Fraud Initiative (NFI).  Further to the update in the Chief Executive’s report, 
the Board noted that some progress had been made in relation to the small number of 
local authorities that remained reluctant to disclose their electoral registers for the 
purposes of NFI, and a satisfactory outcome was anticipated. 
 
5. 
Senior Management Appointments.  There was a strong field for the vacant post of 
MD, Corporate Services, and interviews would be held on 12 May 2008.  The Deputy 
Chairman would join the Chairman and Chief Executive on the interview panel.  
Commissioner Jenny Watson would sit on the interview panel for the post of MD, 
Communications. 
 
6. 
The Board noted the report of the Chief Executive. 
 
Comprehensive Area Assessment: consultation feedback and next steps 
CP 29-08 
 
7. 
At its March 2008 meeting, the Board considered a report summarising early analysis 
of the responses to the joint inspectorate consultation on Comprehensive Area 
Assessment (CAA).  Following on from this, the Board received a more 
comprehensive report on the consultation activity, including findings from the action 
learning sites and the Ipsos MORI citizen and user reference groups.  In addition, 
Board members had received an early draft copy of the report back to the local 
partnership by the joint inspectorate team for Hampshire, one of the action learning 
sites, in order to inform better the discussion on some of the specific issues. 
 
8. 
Overall, feedback from the consultation activity indicated that CAA was heading in the 
right direction, and that the focus on future outcomes was welcomed.  However, CAA 
did not appear to be a reduction in the burden of regulation, and what a proportionate 
approach would mean in practice was also not understood clearly. 
 
9. 
The MD, Local Government went on to present the details of the report including 
proposals for addressing some of the more fundamental issues raised during 
consultation; and more broadly, the next steps in the development of CAA: 
a. 
Following discussions during the consultation, it had been concluded that a DoT 
assessment was not necessarily a helpful way forward, and work would now be 
focused on developing a more streamlined approach that consolidated the four 
originally proposed elements. 
b. 
Feedback indicated that it had not been made clear how assessments that were 
proportionate to risk would be applied in practice, and there was a perception 
that proportionality referred to timescale.  Whilst it was not proposed to have an 
assessment of ‘everything, everywhere, every year’, proportionality in fact 
referred to the intensity of the work, not the timescale.  However, ways of 
targeting and staggering the work were being considered alongside the need for 
adequate assurance. 
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c. 
There were concerns that a continuous assessment would be more burdensome, 
but this would not be the case. The assessment should become an intrinsic part 
of the life of the organisation, but in a minimal, background way.  There would be 
a change in the approach to collecting information: evidence would be gathered 
over time, as and when it was available. 
d. 
The focus on future outcomes was welcomed, although it would not necessarily 
be suitable for all areas, for example looked-after children, youth offending, or 
even safeguarding children more generally. 
e. 
The difficulties of ‘area’ remained subject to ongoing discussions.  There were 
specific concerns from multi-council areas about the difficulties of presenting a 
single CAA judgement, and also, the implications around a council’s community 
leadership role. The methodology development would look at how CAA could be 
clearer about accountability. 
f. 
There was no consensus on scoring.  The early draft report for [Section 33] had 
lacked a scored element and had a distinct pre-CPA feel as a result.  Developing 
a robust approach to a single score for area assessment would be difficult.  A red 
/ green flag system might be appropriate for the first year, but it would be useful 
to indicate that there might be scores in subsequent years. 
 
10.  The Board then shared its views on the development of CAA, and on the draft report 
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[Section 33] action learning site. [Section 36(2)(b)(ii)] 
 
11.  CAA development would continue in the lead-up to the summer 2008 joint 
inspectorate consultation.  The direction of the approach would largely satisfy the 
LGA, Solace, and the Lifting the Burdens Taskforce.  Although the government had 
pushed for a separate DoT assessment, the consolidated approach should still enable 
them to see that authorities were delivering on priorities. 
 
12.  The Board: 
a. 
noted the key messages from the consultation and related activity and 
considered the issues that these presented for the development of CAA; 
and 

b. 
noted and commented on the proposals for taking forward the 
development of CAA, as set out in the next steps section of the report, as 
detailed above.   

 
Use of Resources 2008/09 
CP 30-08 
 
13.  The Board was asked to endorse formally its previous decision in principle, for a more 
rationalised approach to the Use of Resources (UoR) assessment, in light of the 
responses received during consultation.  In order to address the most significant 
concerns, the UoR approach would be more risk-based and streamlined.  A 
proportionate, cyclical approach to assessment would be applied, and the number of 
Key Lines of Enquiry (KLOEs) would be reduced from the 13 proposed originally, to 
ten. 
 
14.  The Board approved the revised approach.  There remained a communication issue in 
that the descriptions for one or two KLOEs might benefit from further streamlining, and 
some final suggestions of possible wording were given.  The Board also suggested 
some possible alternative descriptors to the current ‘managing other resources’ 
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theme.  As the reporting year was already underway, the Board agreed that the 
UoR framework should be published as soon as possible

 
15.  The Board: 
a. 
noted the responses received to the UoR consultation; and 
b. 
approved the revised approach to UoR, and publication of the final KLOE 
for 2008/09 at the earliest possible opportunity.
 
 
 
 
Draft Fee Scales for National Fraud Initiative 2008/09 

CP 31-08 
 
16.  The MD, Audit presented the proposed 2008/09 National Fraud Initiative (NFI) fee 
scales for approval, as the basis for the statutory consultation with key stakeholders.  
The approach to NFI had been discussed previously by the Board in December 2007, 
and the Board’s steer at that meeting was that future NFI fee scales should reflect the 
value of the outputs to the participants, and also make an appropriate contribution to 
indirect overheads.  However, in view of the negative reaction to the recent audit fee 
scale consultation, the Board also had to be mindful of the risk that consulting on 
significantly increased NFI fee scales so soon after the audit fee scales could re-
inflame a negative reaction amongst AIBs. 
 
17.  In view of these two factors, the proposed fee scales, as set out in the report, had 
been developed to satisfy the Board’s desire for NFI to generate a more appropriate 
contribution, but could still be justified as reasonable and appropriate. 
 
18.  The Board agreed that the proposed approach was appropriate and acceptable.  This 
included consolidating those data matches that were currently optional in to the 
mandatory NFI, and extending creditors matching to all health bodies.  Although this 
would result in a significant percentage increase for those bodies that had previously 
opted-out of some matches, the nominal amounts were small.  Furthermore, it could 
no longer be considered acceptable for a public body to opt-out of a process that 
detected fraud and had significant savings potential. 
 
19.  The Board noted the extract of the draft national report: National Fraud Initiative 
2006/07 and the examples of how powerful data matching could be in detecting fraud 
and overpayment.  The Board agreed that these messages should be promoted, 
including the potential increase in local authorities’ tax base of up to £200million. 
 
20.  The Board approved the draft scales of fees for the NFI 2008/09, as set out in 
Appendix 1 of the report, as the basis for the statutory consultation with key 
stakeholders. 

 
 
Chief Executive’s Appraisal Confidential 
Item 
 
21.  The Chairman and Commissioners held a private discussion on the Chief Executive’s 
appraisal.  Staff left the room for the duration of the item. 
 
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National Study: Well-being in later life 
CP 32-08 
 
22.  The Head of Studies gave a short presentation of the key emerging messages from 
the national study: Well-being in Later Life.  The study sought to provide an 
assessment of the government’s 2005 Opportunity Age initiative; and an evaluation of 
how well councils were responding to, and planning for a significant demographic 
change: by 2025, the over-fifty population would exceed 40 per cent in some two 
thirds of authorities.  The research methodology had included analysis of the older 
people KLOE in corporate assessment reports; ‘mystery shopper’ telephone surveys 
by older people; and visits to sample authorities. 
 
23.  The key findings to date could be summarised as: 
a. 
The population was ageing and its needs were becoming increasingly complex; 
b. 
Councils were not adequately prepared for this diversity, and Opportunity Age 
had not had the intended impact in improving the lives of older people, through 
councils taking on a community leadership role; and 
c. 
Councils had a three-tier duty to create places where older people could thrive, 
by: age-proofing mainstream services; providing tailored services that promoted 
independence; and providing more fundamental social care, where necessary. 
 
24.  The Board made a number of observations and suggestions on the messages so far, 
and suitable ways forward: [Section 36(2)(b)(ii)] 
 
25.  The Board: 
a. 
commented and advised on the study; and 
b. 
delegated authority to the Chief Executive to approve the report for 
publication. 

 
 
Approach to the New Power of Advice and Assistance 
CP 33-08 
 
26.  The Board received a report on the proposed arrangements for managing the 
Commission’s new powers to advise and assist (A&A) public authorities and 
registered social landlords, which commenced on 31 January 2008.  The report set 
out the risks and opportunities afforded by the new power: it covered all work 
previously delivered under s35 but was also considerably wider in its scope. 
 
27.  The Board commended the cautious approach and the principles that would drive it.  
These included that the work should contribute to the Commission’s strategic 
objectives, and that any work would not detract from the Commission’s core business 
or its reputation.  It would be essential to ensure that the work would not cause any 
perceived or real conflicts of interest and that the organisation’s independence was 
preserved.  It was also necessary to ensure that the AIBs themselves did not have 
policies that would prevent us from carrying out this work.  
 
28.  There would not be a separate physical unit to deal with A&A work but it would be 
recorded and accounted for separately.  Any potential VAT issues were being 
investigated.  There would not be a regular stand-alone item to the Board on the A&A 
work, but the Board would be kept informed and any unconventional requests would 
be detailed in the Chief Executive’s report. 
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29.  The Board noted and commented on the proposed approach to using the new 
power to advise and assist public authorities, including the associated 
governance arrangements. 

 
Audit Issues 
CP 34-08 
 
30.  The MD, Audit presented the report that sought the Board’s agreement on various 
operational issues and reported on a number of professional practice matters and 
sensitive issues.  The Board approved the audit appointments as set out in the 
recommendations, before considering the individual regulatory and professional 
matters, as follows: 
a. 
[Section 33] 
b. 
Read and Cooksey Awards 2008.  The Read award – presented for the most 
valuable contribution to performance or ‘value for money’ audit work – had been 
awarded for a joint piece of work by the Audit Practice’s Central Region, the 
Community Safety and Environment directorate and KPMG.  The research had 
followed on from the 2005 joint work with the NAO on Delivery Chain Analysis of 
bus services, and had involved working across several bodies, which was of 
particular note in view of the approach to CAA. 
c. 
Audit Inspection Unit (AIU).  The AIU’s inspection of the Audit Practice was 
drawing to its conclusion, and the five files selected for review had stood up well 
to scrutiny.  Furthermore, as part of the AIU’s firm-wide review of systems and 
processes, meetings had been held with the Chief Executive, and MDs for Audit 
and Human Resources, and the position was encouraging.  The AIU would 
present its conclusions to the Board in July 2008. 
 
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31.  The Commission Board: 
a. 
approved the appointment of Helen Thompson, Audit Commission, as the 
appointed auditor to Adur and Worthing Joint Committee with effect from 
2007/08; 

b. 
approved the appointment of Debbie Hanson, Audit Commission, as the 
appointed auditor to Bedfordshire and River Ivel Internal Drainage Board 
with effect from 2007/08;  

c. 
approved the appointment of Grant Thornton (UK) LLP as the appointed 
auditor to Bishops Stortford Town Council with effect from 2007/08;  

d. 
approved the appointment of Grant Thornton (UK) LLP as the appointed 
auditor to the National Parking Adjudication Service Joint Committee with 
effect from 2007/08; 

e. 
approved the appointment of Mick West, Audit Commission, as the 
appointed auditor to Newport Pagnell Town Council with effect from 
2007/08; 

f. 
approved the appointment of PKF (UK) LLP as the appointed auditor to 
South Downs Joint Committee with effect from 2007/08;  

g. 
approved the appointment of Mazars LLP as the appointed auditor to 
Trowbridge Town Council with effect from 2007/08; 

h. 
approved the other changes in appointed auditors from 2007/08 and 
2008/09, as set out in Appendix 1; and 

i. 
noted the other issues set out in the report. 
 
Performance Report: 2007/08 Fourth Quarter 
CP 35-08 
 
32.  The Board received the Performance Report covering the period January to March 
2008.  The interim MD, Corporate Services drew particular attention to the latest 
forecast outturn figure and the most significant variances against the original planned 
deficit. The regional performance and variances, as set out in section 4 of the report, 
were explained in more detail.  Further variances were anticipated as the firms’ final 
contribution would not be known until April/May 2008.  The Management Team 
would consider suitable options for using the significant surplus, and report to 
the Board.
 
 
33.  [Section 36(2)(b)(ii)] 
 
34.  [Section 36(2)(b)(ii)] 
 
35.  The Board noted: 
a. 
the overall performance summarised in the balanced scorecard; 
b. 
the achievements in the fourth quarter of FY 2007/08; 
c. 
progress against the Strategic Plan activities; 
d. 
the publications timeline in Appendix 3; and 
e. 
the forecast outturn financial position as set out in the report. 
 
Flexible Retirement 
CP 36-08 
 
36.  Following the Board’s approval of a number of changes to the Audit Commission 
Pension Scheme (ACPS) at its March 2008 meeting; the MD, Human Resources 
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presented a paper detailing proposals for further changes to the ACPS, including the 
introduction of flexible retirement arrangements.  The proposals would have benefits 
for both employees and the organisation, and could potentially provide the 
Commission with an alternative experienced resource. 
 
37.  Staff would be entitled to seek a lower graded role and/or decrease their working 
hours, and would take a commensurate element of their pension benefits to 
compensate for the loss of earnings.  Due to age discrimination legislation, all 
members of the scheme over 50 at present, and all members over 55 from 2010, 
would be entitled to take advantage of the flexible retirement options. 
 
38.  Take-up of the scheme would be monitored, although there were indications that the 
scheme would be well-received by staff, particularly in light of the existing interest in 
working beyond the retirement age.  The financial implications of using the flexible 
retirement proposals would be clearly set out to staff. 
 
39.  The Commission Board agreed that: 
a. 
the Commission extend to all members over the age of 50 the right to 
continue in post and access their pension entitlement in full; 

b. 
the Commission introduce flexible retirement arrangements as set out in 
section 4 of the report, subject to agreement of the Trustees and 
appropriate consultation; 

c. 
following consultation with the Trustees and scheme members, the Chief 
Executive had delegated authority to sign off the final arrangements 
including any consequential developments arising from the detailed 
consultation process; and 

d. 
the changes be implemented as soon as is reasonably practicable. 
 
 
Minutes of Previous Meetings 
CP 37-08 and CP 38-08 
 
40.  The Board received the minutes of the recent Housing and Regeneration Advisory 
Group and Audit Committee meetings.  The Chair of the Housing and Regeneration 
Advisory Group had nothing further to add in relation to the minutes of the 5 March 
2008 meeting; and the Chair of the Audit Committee had nothing further to add in 
relation to the minutes of the 13 March 2008 Meeting. 
 
41.  The Board noted the minutes of the recent meetings, without comment. 
 
Information Bulletin 
CP 39-08 
 
42.  The Board received the Information Bulletin, without comment. 
 
Chairman’s Speaking Engagements 
CP 40-08 
 
43.  The Board noted the Chairman’s recent speaking engagements, without 
comment. 
 
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44.  The Board noted the Chairman’s recent speaking engagements, without comment. 
 
Any Other Business 
Verbal 
 
45.  There were no further items of business. 
 
Date of Next Meeting 
 
The next Board meeting would take place on Thursday 5 June 2008, at 9.00am in the First 
Floor Boardroom, Millbank Tower.  
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