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Minutes of the 254th Board Meeting 
Thursday 8 November 2007
Boardroom, 1st Floor Millbank Tower 
9.30am to 12.45pm
 
 
Commissioners present: 
Staff in attendance: 
Michael O’Higgins (Chairman) 
Mike Barnes (for part) 
Steve Bundred (Chief Executive) 
Paul Coombs (for part) 
Bharat Shah (Deputy Chairman) 
Gareth Davies 
Lord Adebowale 
Tracey Dennison 
Jim Coulter 
Martin Evans 
Sheila Drew Smith 
Jenny Grey (for part) 
Cllr. Stephen Houghton 
Roger Hamilton 
Cllr. Peter Jones 
Ian Hickman (for part) 
Sir Thomas Legg (for part) 
Julie Hope 
Dame Denise Platt 
Andy McKeon 
Brian Pomeroy (for part) 
Siobhan O’Donoghue (minutes) 
Dr Raj Rajagopal 
Michael Scott 
Professor Peter Smith 
Dave Stewart 
Jenny Watson 
Peter Wilkinson 
 
 
Welcome, Apologies and Announcements 
 
1. 
The Chairman welcomed the Board to the meeting and the following announcements 
were made: 
a. 
The Chairman welcomed Commissioner Jenny Watson to her first meeting.   
Michael Scott, RD Central Region was also welcomed to the meeting. 
b. 
Apologies had been received from Commissioners Dr Jennifer Dixon and Cllr. 
Chris White. 
c. 
The Chairman and Chief Executive thanked those Commissioners who had 
attended the recent National Managers’ Conference for their contributions.  The 
attendance of Board Members had been greatly appreciated by staff and feedback 
had been positive. 
d. 
The Local Government Minister, John Healey, had accepted an invitation to attend 
the next Board meeting on 13 December; and the Secretary of State, Hazel Blears 
had accepted an invitation to attend the Board dinner on 12 March 2008. 
e. 
Dame Denise Platt declared an interest in item CP 83-07 - Joint Inspectorate 
Consultation on CAA, as the Chair of the Commission for Social Care Inspection.  
Cllr. Peter Jones declared an interest in items CP 82-07 - Audit and Inspection Fee 
Scales; and CP 83-07 – Joint Inspectorate Consultation on CAA, as leader of East 
Sussex County Council.  However, it was not deemed necessary for either Dame 
Denise Platt or Cllr. Peter Jones to leave the room for the duration of these items, 
or to refrain from participation in the discussions. 
 
Minutes of the last Meeting and Away day – 13 and 14 September 2007 
 
2. 
The minutes of the 253rd Board Meeting and Away day were approved as a correct 
record. 
 
3. 
The Board approved the minutes of the last Meeting and Away day as a 
correct record. 

 
Report 
of 
the 
Chief 
Executive 
       CP 
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4. 
Further to the updates in his report, the Chief Executive said that he had written to the 
Chief Fire Officer at Warwickshire Fire and Rescue Service on behalf of the 
Commission, to express sadness and condolences over the recent deaths of four fire-
fighters tackling the Atherstone-on-Stour Warehouse fire.  The Chief Executive also 
drew attention to the recent Queen’s speech which had included the announcement of 
the new housing, and health and social care regulators. 
 
5. 
Meetings with Government Ministers and Others:  It had become clear from the recent 
meetings with the Local Government Minister and the Secretary of State that they had 
different emphases in their priorities and interests, and therefore it would be necessary 
to remain relevant to both.  The Secretary of State was focused on the engagement and 
empowerment agenda, and the Local Government Minister had expressed interest in 
economic and development and regeneration: the Commission had agreed to consider 
a piece of research around this subject, focusing on former mining communities and mill 
towns.  It was suggested that the housing market renewal programmes might be an 
accessible way to approach this work.  The Commission had also received a request 
from David Rossington, Director, Local Democracy at CLG, to develop a think 
piece on how regulation might benefit community engagement.
 
 
6. 
Audit of Local Authority Companies:  The Chief Executive briefed the Board on the 
background to the issue of auditing local authority controlled companies, which dated 
back to Lord Sharman’s 2001 report on audit and accountability for central government.  
There was still no statutory provision for the public audit of such bodies, despite 
previous lobbying.  Ministers had acknowledged that this was an outstanding issue and 
it was hoped that it could be addressed shortly, possibly through a handout Private 
Member’s Bill. 
 
7. 
Use of Information Study:  This study was expected to be published over the coming 
weeks.  Publication had been delayed to ensure that the study was appropriately cross-
referenced to the complementary joint NAO and Office for National Statistics report on 
improving resource management. 
 
8. 
Future of Housing Regulation:  In light of the Housing Minister’s announcement on the 
future of housing regulation and the establishment of a new regulator, there was the 
opportunity for a lessons-learned exercise. 
 
9. 
The Board noted the Report of the Chief Executive. 
 
Medium Term Financial Plan 2008/09 to 2010/11 
 
 
 
 
CP 80-07 
 
10.  The MD, Corporate Services introduced the report setting out the corporate financial 
targets and assumptions to deliver a break-even position each year during 2008/09 to 
2010/11.  The financial plan reflected the proposals for fee scales (discussed elsewhere 
on this agenda in CP 82-07) and the organisation’s commitment to pursuing efficiency 
targets in line with AIBs.  The Board noted the assumptions and sensitivities set out in 
the report.  The following points were raised in discussion: 
a. 
Despite the announcement on the future of housing regulation, the housing 
programme remained cost neutral as the impact on the Commission was still not 
clear.  
b. 
The 5 and 6 per cent staff cost savings set out in Table 1 were not further 
increases, but had not been set out explicitly in previous financial plans. 
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c. 
It was suggested that a back to basics look at the finances of the organisation 
might be beneficial, rather than trying to squeeze further savings out of the current 
position. 
d. 
Versions of the financial plan that smoothed the individual increases had not been 
considered in favour of a version that smoothed the overall figures. 
e. 
In terms of reputation, the worst-case scenario would be if our costs increased; 
staff pay increased; but there continued to be an issue with the consistency of 
audit quality. 
f. 
Had we looked at our own value for money?  For example, what would the 
Commission be able, or prepared to sacrifice, in order to reduce the levels of fee 
increases?  
 
11.  Cllr. Peter Jones declared a formal objection to the proposed fee levels as set out in the 
financial plan, and therefore did not approve any of the recommendations. 
 
12.  The Board noted the paper, subject to the outcome of the fees consultation 
including possible re-profiling; and subject to the outcome of the pay 
settlement. 

 
Pay 
Award 
2008/09 
to 
2010/11 
       CP 
81-07 
 
13.  The MD, Human Resources introduced the report that responded to the Board’s 
request at its February 2007 meeting to consider the 2008/09 pay award at an early 
stage.  A steer on the level of pay award was sought, and the Board considered the 
following issues in its discussion: [Section 36(2)(c)] 
 
14.  The Board noted the report and agreed that negotiations on a three-year 
settlement should continue, based around: 
a. 
a circa 2.75 per cent increase, in line with local authorities; and 
b. 
pay envelopes (including pension benefits); and the option of deferring the 
settlement date. 

 
Fee 
Scales 
2008/09 
to 
2010/11 
       CP 
82-07 
 
15.  The MD, Audit presented proposals for increases in fee scales for 2008/09 and the two 
years beyond, and sought the Board’s agreement on what level of increases should be 
consulted on.  The increases reflected cost pressures faced by the Commission 
(detailed elsewhere on this agenda in CP 80-07) and a number of volume changes.  
The drivers of some of the volume increases were beyond the Commission’s control, for 
example, the statutory duty to comply with IFRS accounting standards and changes to 
professional standards.  However, other volume drivers such as the scope of Use of 
Resources (UoR) assessments; the extent of data quality work; and the treatment of 
local government pension funds, could be influenced by Commission policy choices.  
There was a difficult balance to strike between affordability and acceptability.  The 
Board considered the following issues during its discussion of the report: 
a. 
Although the consequences for individual authorities were difficult to predict, the 
proposals for increasing the scales of fees would be viewed against a backdrop of 
real pressure, and the ability of authorities to reduce their costs to address these 
pressures was finite: we should expect resistance from local authorities.   
b. 
The first question that we would be asked was ‘why is there an increase?’ and so 
clear communication would be vital, particularly in explaining the increased activity 
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and expenditure which would most likely be perceived as more audit.  Also, how 
would these increases relate to better services, and better governance? 
c. 
The possibility of a smoothing exercise over the three year period that could 
be negotiated on an individual basis with AIBs should be explored.
  Although 
this might be more difficult to communicate clearly, it would show willing and help 
deliver the overall message. Giving AIBs the option to smooth their increases 
would also tie-in with their three-year financial settlements. 
d. 
We were setting the fees as a regulator, not as auditors, and we should also be 
mindful that the firms would levy these charges, too; and that the basis of the 
recent contracts with the firms was their ability to recover their costs.  Setting fees 
at what AIBs would consider a more acceptable level would create contractual and 
relationship issues with the firms. 
e. 
The consultation must explain very clearly where the increases were coming from, 
and demonstrate where the Commission was also accepting its own advice. 
f. 
The Commission should consider taking a more in-depth look at its strategic costs.  
Demonstrating our own efficiencies, even around token aspects, would be 
appreciated. 
g. 
As sustainability issues and the related KLOE were still relatively new territory, was 
there any room for manoeuvre here?  Also, was the amount of time that had been 
allocated for VfM investigations really necessary? 
h. 
It would be better if the consultation demonstrated what choices had been made, 
and where choices were still available. The Board agreed that the table setting 
out the average audit fees and increases over 2007/08 to 2010/11 (Table 2) 
should show a more stepped picture of the various increases and options.
  
This would help to show that some of the charges were decreasing, but that some 
were also unavoidable. 
 
16.  The consultation document had to be published in November 2007, but a final decision 
on levels was not necessary until March 2008. 
 
17.  Cllr Peter Jones declared a formal objection to the proposed fee levels for consultation, 
as set out in the report, and did not approve the recommendations. 
 
18.  Subject to the comments above, the Board delegated authority for the Chief 
Executive to approve the consultation document setting out the proposed Work 
Programme and Scales of Fees 2008/09 to 2010/11, for publication at the end of 
November 2007. 

 
Joint Inspectorate Consultation on Comprehensive Area Assessment 
CP 83-07 
 
19.  The MD, Local Government presented the consultation paper on Comprehensive Area 
Assessment (CAA) prepared jointly with our partner inspectorates.  It did not set out a 
definitive approach to CAA but fleshed out the proposals.  Feedback from individual 
government departments on early drafts had been generally supportive, although there 
had been some issues with the Department of Health (DH) and Home Office (HO) that 
needed to be addressed, and discussions were ongoing at ministerial level. 
 
20.  The consultation would demonstrate a move away from the detailed and prescriptive 
KLOE assessments of the past, and demonstrate that CAA was about managing local 
priorities, locally.  It would also have to address the need for a cultural shift, both 
internally and across the sector. [Section 36(2)(b)(ii)] 
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21.  Subject to the comments above, the Board: 
a. 
delegated authority for the Chief Executive and Chairman to approve the 
joint consultation document; and
 
b. 
requested a report on the public consultation process and its results. 
 
Use 
of 
Resources 
2008/09        CP 
84-07 
 
22.  The MD, Audit introduced the consultation document on the proposed approach to Use 
of Resources (UoR) judgements for 2008/09.  This broader scope of UoR would result 
in a single scored judgement on bodies’ use of resources, and would help to drive 
improvements in financial reporting.  Performance would be judged across three 
themes and would focus on outcomes more than processes.  Under the new proposals, 
auditors would adopt a more judgement-based approach measuring against high level 
descriptors rather than detailed criteria. 
 
23.  Key stakeholders had been consulted during the development of the framework with 
mixed responses: for example, HM Treasury welcomed the proposals but would prefer 
two rather than three themes; and the Department of Health had expressed anxiety at 
any broader definition of resources beyond finances. 
 
24.  The Board considered the draft consultation.  There was some concern about the 
differences in ratings between the Commission’s assessment of PCTs, and Monitor’s 
assessment of Foundation Trusts.  There was also concern that, as UoR would be the 
only scored element of CAA, the score would lead to unofficial league tables; and also 
that smaller firms would not have the depth of experience and expertise to carry out the 
UoR assessment effectively.  The MD Audit assured the Board that there would be 
significant investment in training to ensure that judgements would be exercised 
consistently.  The proposed approach would be trialled from December 2007, with full 
implementation from 2008/09. 
 
25.  The Board approved the consultation for Use of Resources judgements for 
2008/09. 
 
NHS Modernisation: Invest to Improve – Key Messages   
 
 
CP 85-07 
 
26.  The MD, Health circulated slides to accompany the presentation and report on the key 
messages emerging from the joint Audit Commission / Healthcare Commission study 
NHS Modernisation: Invest to Improve.  The study had looked at the collective impact of 
the Department of Health’s (DH) system reform programme on the NHS since 2003/04.  
Methodologically, the study had been quite difficult as other incentives and issues 
across the NHS had been happening simultaneously, and the approach across the 
various health economies had been quite different. [Section 36(2)(b)(ii)] 
 
 
27.  [Section 36(2)(b)(ii)] 
   
 
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28. 
The Board: 
a. 
considered and commented on the key messages and findings from the 
study, as detailed above; and 

b. 
agreed that clearance of the final report should rest with the Chairman 
and Chief Executive. 

 
Health 
Studies 
Programme 
       CP 
86-07 
 
29.  The MD, Health introduced the report and invited the Board to comment on the 
suggested health studies to be undertaken in 2008/09, as set out in the paper.  As the 
Commission’s study remit in the NHS was limited to financial management, studies 
were often produced jointly with other bodies such as the NAO and the Healthcare 
Commission, and this would also be the case with the new regulator, the Care Quality 
Commission.  The Board noted the proposed studies and suggested that a study on 
the financial implications of health inequalities would be worthwhile.
 
 
30. 
The Board: 
a. 
commented on and suggested additions to the Health Studies 
consultation, as detailed above; and 

b. 
approved the consultation document at Appendix 1 for issue. 
 
Quarter 

Performance 
Report 
       CP 
87-07 
 
31.  The MD, Corporate Services presented the report that summarised performance and 
progress against strategic objectives during the period July to September 2007.  
Despite the positive year to date position, a forecast outturn deficit of £2m was 
anticipated, in part due to under-budgeting for contracts, and also the reconfiguration of 
some IT support systems.  The Chairman requested that the periodical year to date 
forecasts be presented alongside the final end of year position for comparison.
 
 
32. 
The Board noted: 
a. 
the overall performance summarised in the balanced scorecard; 
b. 
the achievements in the quarter; the Management accounts for 
September 2007; 

c. 
progress against the Strategic Plan activities; and 
d. 
the publications timeline. 
 
Audit Issues 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
CP 88-07 
 
33.  The MD, Audit presented the report which sought the Board’s agreement on various 
operational issues.  The Board also noted the analysis of single tier and county councils 
where audit appointments had never been rotated (in the history of the Commission), as 
set out in Appendix 2 of the report.  Longer-term packages of audit rotation would be 
considered when the current audit appointments were due for renewal.  
Commissioners sought assurance that there was no correlation between an AIB’s 
performance and the length of rotation of their appointed auditor.
 
 
34.  [Section 33] 
 
35. Other 
matters 
to note included: 
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a. 
[Section 33]  
b. 
The Read and Cooksey Awards 2007 had been presented to recipients at the 
recent National Managers’ Conference.  However, the judging panel had 
commented that with the exception of the winners, the submissions had lacked 
evidence of innovation and originality and had not fully demonstrated that they had 
achieved a high level of impact.  The panel’s comments had been noted and would 
be taken forward. 
c. 
[Section 33] 
 
36. 
The Board: 
a. 
approved the appointment of Les Kidner as the joint appointed auditor at 
Hounslow LBC for 2007/08, with specific responsibility for the auditor’s 
functions under s5(1)(e) of the Audit Commission Act 1998; 

b. 
approved the appointment of Chris Westwood as an appointed auditor at 
Medway Council; 

c. 
approved the appointment of Debbie Hanson as the appointed auditor at 
Flitwick Town Council; 

d. 
approved the appointment of Grant Thornton UK LLP as the appointed 
auditor to South Worcestershire Shared Services Partnership Joint 
Committee; 

e. 
approved the changes in appointed auditors, as set out in Appendix 1; 
f. 
noted the results of the analysis of long-standing audit appointments 
during the recent and proposed series of rotations of audit appointments; 

g. 
noted the Award of the Read and Cooksey awards 2007 and the 
comments of the judging panel; and 

h. 
noted the other issues set out in section 4 of the report. 
 
Audit 
Practice 
Annual 
Quality 
Report 
      CP 
89-07 
 
37.  The MD, Audit presented the draft of the Audit Commission audit practice’s annual 
quality report (AQR), which aligned the Commission with the requirement for firms to 
prepare an annual transparency report.  The production and dissemination of the AQR 
was important to the Promoting Audit Quality programme, and in reminding others of 
our performance and quality commitment.  The arrival of the Audit Inspection Unit in 
early 2008 would also demonstrate our openness to independent scrutiny. 
 
38.  The AQR sought to strike a balance between an honest assessment and highlighting 
areas for improvement.  Although the Commission’s audit practice had undoubtedly 
improved, it was fair to say that it had not kept up with the benchmark of leading 
practice.  It was proposed that a copy of the report would be published on the Audit 
Commission website and a link would be sent to our clients, including FTs. 
 
39. 
The Board approved the draft audit practice annual quality report for 
publication. 
 
Minutes of Recent Meetings 
 
 
 
CP 90-07, CP 91-07 and CP 92-07 
 
40.  The Board received the minutes of the 25 July 2007 Housing and Regeneration 
Advisory Group; the minutes of the 4 September 2007 NHS Financial Management 
Advisory Group; and the 26 July 2007 Audit Committee meeting, without comment. 
 
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41.  The Board noted the minutes of recent meetings without comment. 
 
Information Bulletin & Chairman’s Speaking Engagements   CP 93-07 and CP 94-07 
 
42.  The Board noted the Chairman’s Speaking Engagements and the Information Bulletin 
without comment. 
 
43.  The Board received the Information Bulletin and the Chairman’s speaking 
engagements for information. 
 
Any Other Business 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
        Verbal 
 
44.  There were no additional items of business. 
 
Date of Next Meeting 
 
45.  The next Board Meeting would be held at 9.30am on Thursday 13 December 2007, in 
the Boardroom, Millbank Tower, and would be preceded, on Wednesday 12 December 
2007 by a Board Dinner at the City Inn, Westminster. 
 
 
Siobhan O’Donoghue 
November 2007 

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