This is an HTML version of an attachment to the Freedom of Information request 'tv licensing contracts with Capita and RMS'.
 
Freedom of Information 
Internal Review decision 
 
Internal Reviewer 
Allan Mackenzie, Commercial Lawyer 
Reference IR2009040 
Date 
24 December 2009 
 
Requested information 
    
“Please send all correspondence about this new request to this email address to aid 
with tracking the request properly. 
 
I request a copy of all contracts currently in force relating to the collection of television 
licence fees and enforcement of the television licensing system, between the BBC 
and the following     organisations: 
 
(1) Capita Business Services 
 
(2) Revenue Management Services 
 
By contracts I mean all relevant documents that form part of the contract, as 
described by you in our previous correspondence on the subject. 
 
(3) In cases where you hold contracts relating to work subcontracted out by either of 
these two organisations, either directly or indirectly, I request a list of these contracts. 
This list should include the names of all parties to the contract and a brief description 
of what the contract relates to, but it is not necessary to list all relevant documents 
separately. 
 
If you cannot produce all of (1),(2) and (3) within the costs limit, then this request is 
for (1)+(2), or failing that just (1).  
 
I remind you that you are not entitled to consider the time required for any redactions 
you choose to make. 
 
In order to provide advice and assistance for any potential future requests of this 
nature, please could you provide details of how long each part of the request takes to 
collate, and in the case that you refuse or reduce the request because of the costs 
limit, an estimate of how long it would take to deal with any omitted parts.”…… 

    
I also asked the following: 
      
In order to provide advice and assistance for any potential future requests of this 
nature, please could you provide details of how long each part of the request takes to 
collate, and in the case that you refuse or reduce the request because of the costs 
limit, an estimate of how long it would take to deal with any omitted parts. 
      
Please can you answer this question”? 
 
 
Issues on review 


 
  
Lateness 
  
“(1) The lateness of the response 
      
I recognise that the initial delay caused by the request not being logged properly was 
an isolated failure and one that I could have mitigated by querying the lack of 
confirmation message.   
 
However, it then took you three months to completely address my request, far outside 
the time allowed by law. The twenty days is not a target, it is an absolute limit. Should 
people who are liable for the TV licence fee have a similar attitude to the law, and 
only comply if it is convenient to them at the time? 
 
I notice that the RMS contract actually has clauses committing them to help you reply 
within 20 days, but even for that contract you failed to do so.  
 
In addition the request for these contracts should not have come as a surprise, as this 
was a follow-on to the request I made in June, and someone else had already 
requested the Capital contract last year but was fobbed off. 
(http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/previous_request_about_tv_licens)” 
      
Exemptions 
 
“(2) The material you have redacted 
 
I do not agree with any of your redactions apart from the s40 redaction of names of 
junior staff.  
 
This is a bespoke contract for a very specialised purpose and I do not believe your 
vague and unsupported arguments that releasing details would actually cause 
prejudice to your contractor's commercial position. 
 
In addition the extent of the redactions seems excessive, with entire contract clauses 
obscured in a number of cases. Please consider whether, if redaction is necessary at 
all, then whether it must be so broad or whether some parts could be left or a partial     
summary of the redacted parts could be provided. For prices, please consider 
replacing specific numeric values that you continue to redact with a broad range 
instead. 
 
I also do not accept your generic arguments that the public interest factors in favour 
of disclosure are already served by other means. For example, the reduction in the 
costs of collection from 6.2% of the licence fee revenue to 3.6% over nearly 20 years 

 
is during a period in which the licence fee has risen substantially in real terms and 
thus a substantial fall is to be expected, particularly in view of the advances in 
technology over this period. What is of interested is whether it is being run efficiently 
now, not how inefficiently it was run in the past. None of your points even addresses 
factor 3 "ensuring that the licensing authority is exercising its functions .. 
appropriately and proportionately". Your indiscriminate use of the same arguments on 
every request relating to TV licensing suggests that you are not really conducting a 
proper assessment in regard to the specific information at hand. 
 
I note that the behaviour of TV licensing as a whole is a cause of substantial public 
debate and concern, and it is therefore very important that as much detail as possible 
is out in the open. For example, in     
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/18004/response/48622/attach/5/Disclosure
%20Doc%202%20correspondence%20re%20IR2008026%20re%20RFI20080647.pdf
the requestor expressed a desire to find out whether your contractual arrangements 
were encouraging aggressive collection strategies on the part of your contractors.” 
 
Time Spent Complying 
 
“Finally, I would also like to query the details of the amount of time you claim to have 
spent collating these contracts. You have listed substantial amounts of time spent by 
your contractors on this (26 hours in total in the top section of the table you    
produced), yet the vast majority of the information disclosed are the actual contracts 
between the BBC and those contractors. Are you saying that you are unable to find a 
copy of your contracts with them without asking them? I find this incredible.” 
 
Sub-contractors 
 
My original request included the following: 
      
(3) In cases where you hold contracts relating to work subcontracted out by either of 
these two organisations, either directly or indirectly, I request a list of these contracts. 
This list should include the names of all parties to the contract and a brief description 
of what the contract relates to, but it is not necessary to list all relevant documents 
separately. 
      
I see that the RMS disclosure includes some mention of subcontracts, but I can find 
none in the Capita disclosure. Please can you clarify whether you have listed all 
subcontracts that you hold in each case? 
  
 
Decision 
 

 
Lateness 
The time taken to comply with the request for information clearly exceeded the 
statutory period allowed. The BBC accepted that this was the case in the response 
to the initial request.  The BBC also accepted that although it encountered 
difficulties in tracking down all the information requested by the applicant some of 
the delay was simply due to an oversight on the part of the BBC.  I have been 
assured that measures have been put in place to avoid such an oversight occurring 
again.  Therefore, I would simply apologise once again on behalf BBC for not meeting 
the statutory timescale for issuing the information. 
 
Exemptions 
Having examined the documents I am of the opinion that a considerable amount of 
the information redacted under S43(2) is not commercially sensitive either as 
regards the BBC or the Supplier. I have instructed that new versions of the 
documents should be released to the applicant disclosing additional information.  I 
expect these to be provided within the next 10 working days. 
 
In the new versions where information continues to be redacted I am satisfied that 
the exemptions under Sections 31 (prejudicial to the collection of tax) and Section 
43(2) (commercial interest) have been properly applied. I am also satisfied that the 
public interest test favours maintaining the exemptions for the reasons stated in the 
original disclosure letter. 
 
Time Spent Complying 
The applicant queries the amount of time spent compiling the information to be 
disclosed.  The accuracy of the estimates is not a matter which is covered by the 
Freedom of Information Act 2000 and therefore is not something which I can 
review. That being said the number of hours quoted seems perfectly plausible 
particularly since I have spent over 11 hours conducting this review. 
 
Sub-contractors 
The applicant has already been issued with a list of sub-contractors. In the course of 
the review I discovered that the list of sub-contractors had changed since the 
contracts were originally signed. An updated list of sub-contractors will be disclosed 
to the applicant along with the revised disclosure documents. 
 
 
Appeal Rights  
If you are not satisfied with the outcome of your internal review, you can appeal to 
the Information Commissioner. The contact details are: Information Commissioner’s 
Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire SK9 5AF; Telephone 
01625 545 700 or www.ico.gov.uk