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How well we are doing at Tech Transfer…
and how do we know?
Copenmind
September 08
Dr Kevin Cullen
Director
Research & Enterprise
The University of Glasgow

Metrics and Indicators
• Everyone wants to measure us – including us.
• There are a wide range of views on what 
should be measured and what can be 
measured.
• Today I will talk about
- what we currently measure
- what we should be measuring
- what we can measure

What we currently Measure
• KT/Licensing Survey
– AUTM started it a long time ago
– As commercialisation has developed, other 
people around the world developed similar 
things (disclosures, patents, licences, start-
ups).
– We developed the ASTP survey

ASTP Survey for Fiscal Year 2007
Draft August 2008
by
Anthony Arundel, Catalina Bordoy and Minna Kanerva

We do not yet have the historical analysis or 
comparisons versus AUTM data – but they are 
coming.
Survey looked at

R&D agreements.

Invention disclosures.

Patent applications and grants

Technically unique patent grants.

License or option agreements.

Start-ups established.
…some points worth noting:

Licensing revenues
Distribution of license revenue (million PPP$) for universities
70.0
66.7
60.0
52.7
Non-member Universities
50.0
ASTP member Universities
Total universities
s
43.2
t
i
e

si 40.0
i
ver
n
f
 u

t
 o

30.0
27.3
cen
Per
23.0
20.0
16.7
15.9
14.9
13.3
13.6
9.5
10.0
3.3
0.0
Zero
1 to 0.25
0.25 to 2
Over 2
license income
• Most universities make less than $2m per annum
• 2/3 make less than $0.25m
• If you make anything at all, you’re doing ok

Share of Portfolio Licenced
Licensed share of patent portfolio
14
13
13
Universities (ASTP)
12
11
Other public research
10
institutions (ASTP)
10
s
Universities (non-ASTP)
8
Other public research
r
 of TTO

6
6
6
institutions (non-ASTP)
e
6
b
5
m
4
4
u
4
N
2
2
2
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1-25
26-50
51-75
76-100
Percentage patent portfolio

The vast majority licence less than half of their patents.

That so many manage to licence between a quarter and 
half of all patents is quite an achievement.

Who we licence to
Table 3.4 Licenses and option agreements granted to start-ups and to firms with less than 
1
or more than 250 employees (2007)
Distribution of licenses
Total
Start 
Other firms 
Firms with 
licences
ups
< 250
> 250 
employees
employees
Universities
Other TTOs
243
20%
38%
42%
100%
ASTP members
483
24%
38%
38%
100%
Total
726
22%
38%
39%
100%
•Almost a quarter of licences are to start-ups
•Less than a half are to big companies
•Almost 40% to SMEs - we are doing what policy-makers want to see.

Efficency Measures?
Table 4.2 Unit outcome costs in million PPP$ of research expenditure, 2007
Universities
ASTP members
Other TTOs
Total
Invention disclosures
3.3
2.1
3
Patent applications
9.1
4.6
7.6
Patent grants
23.4
15.3
21
USPTO patent grants
54
107.1
61
License agreements
10.8
9
10.4
2
License income
76.0 m PPP$
122.2 m PPP$
82.9 m PPP$
Start-ups established
34.9
32.2
34.4
Research agreements
0.5
0.2
0.8
• Are these efficiency measures???
• This is where mischief can occur – a causal link is assumed.
• Double my research income and all my numbers get worse

ASTP Survey
• So we see lots of activity on patenting and 
licensing and that is all good.

the survey tells us what is happening in 
terms of commercialising IP.
Is that enough?

• NO!
• Almost everyone would agree that 
licensing activity data, whilst useful, does 
not tell the whole story.
• It does not capture many of the benefits 
that derive from University Knowledge 
Transfer.
….but why is that?

….but why is that?

Because it is “not all about the money”!

So what is it about then?

Unless we know what it is all about and what we 
are actually trying to do, we’re not really going to 
be able to say whether or not we’re doing it 
well…..are we?

This is the big metrics conundrum.  Everyone 
wants to measure how successful we are, but no 
one is really sure what success is.

I work for a University, so, if I want to measure how 
well I’m performing, I need to know what I’m trying 
to achieve….right?

So, what is the university trying to 
achieve
Well, the University exists to:
• Create knowledge 
• Disseminate knowledge

Knowledge Dissemination

Publication - dissemination to academic peers

Teaching – dissemination to students

Knowledge Transfer – dissemination to industry/society/economy
so…Knowledge transfer can be viewed simply as the 3rd Dissemination 
channel, alongside publication and teaching.  It fits comfortably 
within the university mission.


KT Fits in the University mission, but what does success look 
like?

If we are disseminating knowledge successfully, what results 
from it?

From our point of view success results in EITHER
-
A public good being delivered OR
-
The University makes money from it
-
Both of these are successes, but they are very different in their 
nature (and the way we manage them).
Examples

Public Good
Academic reasons
Revenue/Profit
Student 
yes
-
no
Placements
Licences
no
-
yes
Contract Research
no
-
yes
Spin-outs
no
-
yes
SME Networks
yes
-
no
Student enterprise
yes
-
no

• In our model we decide, on a project by 
project basis, whether the PRIMARY 
objective is to make money or to deliver a 
public good.
• It is very important to decide, because 
failing to decide will cause problems later 
on…and I’ll come back to that.
In our model….

In our Model:
Disseminate
Create
Disseminate
For
For
Knowledge
Public
Profit
Good
Research

Outreach
Research
Outcome
SME support/ 
Collab/ 
Licensing  
Student 
Contract 
Spin-outs
support
Research

A coherent spectrum of objectives, activities and beneficiaries
Outreach
Research
Outcome
Objectives
Public Good
Create Knowledge
Profit
Investors, 
Partners
EDA’s, Government
Research Funders
entrepreneurs
Financial returns
None
Cover costs
Can be significant
Students, Small Co’s, 
Beneficiaries
Knowledge Base
University
Society, Economy
The financial profile changes across the spectrum….

Financial Profile Across the Spectrum
Return to University                    
£/$
Outreach
Research
Outcome

• At the left we are behaving like agents of 
economic development.
• At the right we are behaving like 
venturers/entrepreneurs.
• Both are legitimate, but they look and feel 
different – and have different types of 
success.
….examples to think about.

Examples to think about
Example 1
Opto-electronic device manufacture

£8m VC investment for £14m valuation

University retains 25% equity

3% Royalty stream

Company setting up in Far East

Acquiring two Scottish consultancies to build 
Far East research base

Is this success?

Example 2
Interactive web-design consultancy
Two RAs working from incubator
Applying for SMART Award (£45k)
Help with marketing/networks/workspace
University has no equity or licence position 
Winner of young design entrepreneur award
Invited to speak at schools enterprise workshop
Is this success?

Note that:
- economic development done well will result in people 
making money
-
people making money will result in economic 
development
BUT 
-
economic developers are not measured on how much 
money they make and 
-
businesses are not measured on how much economic 
development they do.
We must not fall into the trap of saying we can make 
money and do economic development at the same 
time….there will always be a choice to make.

• So, as we move across this spectrum, we 
need measures for these different types of 
activities.
• At the money-making end, commercial 
measures make sense.
• At the other end it becomes more tricky.
• In all cases though we would like to 
measure…

• Volume of Activity
• Quality
• Impact

Outreach
Outcome
Research & 
Outreach Activities
Technology Dev., 
Contract Research
Licensing
Venturing
No. of:
No. of:
No. of:
No. of:
• SMEs worked with
• Research Awards
• Disclosures
• Business  Plans
Activity
• Student placements
• Consultancy
• Patent Applications
• Joint Ventures
• Companies created
• CPD
• Patents Granted
• Companies 
• Networking events
• Proof of Concept
• Options Granted
leveraging in external 
investments
Income in support of 
Income:
Income from 
Value of equity 
Quality
activities and 
• Research  (HESA)
licensing, cash or 
realisation
• Consultancy
equity value upon 
feedback
• Etc.
realisation
Longitudinal and 
No. of jobs created in 
Export income, no. of 
No of jobs created, 
Impact
difficult to track
HEIs
jobs created in HEIs
turnover and 
realisation of equity

Metrics

Volume is pretty easy  - counting stuff

Quality is tricky - measuring quality always is

Impact – the most important, but long term and difficult to track.
The best metrics systems I have seen tend to end up based on 
income/revenues (not profit), because income gives some sort 
of proxy for volume x quality.
….but what about impact?!

Impact

Most people would agree that impact measures 
would be the best.

Why has no-one come up with reasonable impact 
measures for Univ KT?

Surely it can’t be that difficult?

• Again, let’s go back to basics and look at the 
system/ecosystem that we operate within.
• From that we may see what the measures 
should be.

The Innovation Ecosystem
• The University is a key actor in the 
innovation ecosystem.
BUT
• The University is only part of the system.

The University is only part of the system
University 
Research
Innovation 
System

The University is only part of the system
University 
University 
Teaching
Research
Innovation 
System

The University is only part of the system
University 
University 
Teaching
Research
University TT
Innovation 
System

The University is only part of the system
University 
University 
Teaching
Research
University TT
Service 
Providers
Innovation 
System

The University is only part of the system
University 
University 
Teaching
Research
University TT
Service 
Providers
Innovation 
System
Capital 
Providers

The University is only part of the system
University 
University 
Teaching
Research
University TT
Service 
Providers
Innovation 
System
Capital 
Providers
RDAs

The University is only part of the system
University 
University 
Teaching
Research
University TT
Service 
Providers
Innovation 
System
Capital 
Providers
RDAs
Local 
‘Culture’

The University is only part of the system
University 
University 
Teaching
Research
University TT
Service 
Providers
Innovation 
System
Capital 
Providers
RDAs
Entrepreneurial 
Local 
Activity
‘Culture’

The University is only part of the system
University 
University 
Teaching
Research
University TT
Service 
Providers
Innovation 
System
Capital 
Providers
Company 
Innovation
RDAs
Entrepreneurial 
Local 
Activity
‘Culture’

The University is only part of the system
University 
University 
Teaching
Research
University TT
Service 
Providers
Innovation 
Government 
System
Policy
Capital 
Providers
Company 
Innovation
RDAs
Entrepreneurial 
Local 
Activity
‘Culture’

The University is only part of a system
University 
University 
Teaching
Research
University TT
Research 
Funding
Service 
Providers
Innovation 
Government 
System
Policy
Capital 
Providers
Company 
Innovation
RDAs
Entrepreneurial 
Local 
Activity
‘Culture’

The role of the University
The University is a part of the ecosystem, but ONLY a part.
We need partners and other stakeholders to take responsibility for the other parts
We will take responsibility for what the University can contribute.
….we need to be clear on what University research contributes

The Contribution of University research
New     
Knowledge

Research
Researchers

Publications
Processes
New     
Knowledge

Materials
Technology
Research
Know-how
Innovation
Researchers
Skills

Teaching
Networking/  
Publications
Events
Processes
Consultancy
New     
Knowledge

Materials
CPD
Technology
Collaborative 
Research
Research
Know-how
Contract   
Research
Innovation
Researchers
Licensing
Skills
Company 
Creation

Teaching
Networking/  
Publications
Events
Processes
Consultancy
New     
Knowledge

Materials
CPD
Knowledge
Technology
Collaborative 
Research
Research
£
Know-how
$
Contract   
Research
Innovation
Researchers
Licensing
Skills
Company 
Creation

Teaching
Networking/  
Publications
Events
Start-up
Processes
Consultancy
New     
Spin-out
Knowledge
Materials
CPD
Knowledge
Society
Technology
Govt
Collaborative 
Research
Research
£
Policy-
makers
Know-how
$
Contract   
Research
Small Co’s
Innovation
Researchers
Licensing
Big Co’s
Skills
Company 
Creation

ALL SORTS OF 
OTHER FACTORS
Teaching
Networking/  
Publications
Events
Start-up
Processes
Consultancy
New     
Spin-out
Knowledge
Materials
CPD
Knowledge
Society
Technology
Govt
Collaborative 
Research
Research
£
Policy-
makers
Know-how
$
Contract   
Research
Small Co’s
Innovation
Researchers
Licensing
Big Co’s
Skills
Company 
Creation
ALL SORTS OF 
OTHER FACTORS

ALL SORTS OF 
OTHER FACTORS
Teaching
Networking/  
Publications
Events
Start-up
Processes
Consultancy
New     
Spin-out
• Jobs
Knowledge
• New Products
Materials
CPD
Knowledge
Society
• New services
• Turnover
Technology
Govt
Collaborative 
• Profit
Research
Research
£
Policy-
makers
• R&D expenditure
Know-how
$
• % turnover from 
Contract   
Research
Small Co’s
new products/ 
services
Innovation
Researchers
Licensing
Big Co’s
Skills
Company 
Creation
ALL SORTS OF 
OTHER FACTORS

ALL SORTS OF 
OTHER FACTORS
Teaching
Networking/  
Publications
Events
Start-up
Processes
Consultancy
New     
Spin-out
• Jobs
Knowledge
• New Products
Materials
CPD
Knowledge
Society
• New services
• Turnover
Technology
Govt
Collaborative 
• Profit
Research
Research
£
Policy-
makers
• R&D expenditure
Know-how
$
• % turnover from 
Contract   
Research
Small Co’s
new products/ 
services
Innovation
Researchers
Licensing
Big Co’s
Skills
Company 
Creation
ALL SORTS OF 
OTHER FACTORS
KT
RESEARCH OUTPUTS
KT ACTIVITIES
ECONOMIC 
ECONOMIC 
ACTIVITY
IMPACT

• Shows link between research and 
economic impact, but it is neither direct 
nor unidirectional.
• System is chaotic
• Timescales can be decades
• Easy to look back through the system 
(case studies), but impossible to predict 
from the input end

Economic Impact

Economic impact can be viewed (at the policy 
level) as the ultimate objective.

It is clear that if we successfully transfer 
knowledge, it will help those others to create 
economic impact  BUT

We do not create direct economic impact 
- we help other people to do so.
- They are hugely influenced by other, external 
factors and actors

So when it comes to economic impact we cannot 
take all the credit, but we can’t take all the blame.

• We can be held responsible for the KT 
activities.
• We must develop the measures for those 
KT activities (quantitative and qualitative)

Therefore…..

We should concentrate on outputs (rather than 
impacts).


We can demonstrate the volume and quality of what we 
do and that should be our focus.


Since we are only a contributor to the final impact, we 
can’t use that as a reasonable measure of us.


It’s more than measuring licensing income, but it’s less 
than measuring economic impact.


So I hope we have:

A good understanding of why we do KT and what 
we hope to achieve

Developed a model that explains the different 
types of KT and why they need different measures 
(profit is not a good measure of public good)

Explained what our role is within the wider system

Made a good start on defining the right measures 
for our role.

Thank you for listening
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